Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

This is unhinged. You’d have all Golden Retrivers, Labs, Shepherds, Setters, most Spaniels, and almost every other family dog put to sleep? All of those breeds - and plenty more perfectly safe breeds - are bigger than a toddler.

My grandad in Germany had a childhood Doberman dog who was very loyal and a family dog as well as protective.

My uncle and aunt in England had a Doberman too, who was the soppiest thing ever with family and friends but sounded aggressive when barking and could attack burglars if needed. Fine when they had children.

My other aunt and uncle had and have long haired German Shepherd dogs who are family and protective dogs.

Totally down to owners and training of their dogs. Some breeds are stronger and harder to control.

I got it mixed up in my mind. He probably did say 999. I mistakenly thought the number had changed. I was wrong.

I’m not scared of dogs, grew up around different breeds but these terrify me, I walk with a limp and one dog (xl bully) looked irked by it, looked like it wanted to rip my face off. And the muppet walking it couldn’t control the lead.

Its not the dogs fault they were bred and I’m sure they are generally okay but that one time they go they really go and there’s no getting them off you. So sorry for yet another victim.

@SweetBirdsong completely agree with you. Its so sad to see communities deteriorating like they are with seemingly no one or no organisation trying to stop the rot as it were. Council estates used to be a hell of a lot safer than they are now and many were lovely communities to bring up children.

I was literally having the same conversation with someone yesterday about the road we grew up on 25/38 years ago. There was maybe one family who were considered a bit of a pain but it that amounted to them being maybe a bit untidy and their kids being a bit loud and occasionally picking fights with other kids in the street. But it was always incredibly safe for children to play out.

Now it's a different story.

Now it's at least half the road that cause trouble and the trouble is on a whole other level. It's drugs, violence between adults and teens/kids, shouting and screaming in the street, driving like absolute idiots. Never safe for children to be out playing anymore and of course, XL bullies.

I too moved away and live similarly to yourself and I'm so glad I do but I feel so sorry for my friends and family that have to live near these types of people.

It seems to me, you're okay if you're wealthy enough to be able to choose to not life anywhere near scum or you're the scum. Everyone in middle has to suffer the scum.

The scum breed like bloody rats as well but the authorities have neither the will nor the funds to do anything about it because guess what? They're wealthy enough to not have to live near the scum themselves.

The exact same reason why I’m so glad and thank my lucky stars everyday that I live rurally and can bring my DC up rurally.

I feel so sorry for people (especially people with young families) that live in these horrible neighbourhoods/ towns/ cities that can’t afford to leave and have to put up with encountering arseholes like this on a daily basis.

The U.K. has gone to shit.

Dj spoony was on the radio last week to defend XL bullies (he got one as a family pet and it allegedly proves everyone who thinks it's unsuitable, wrong, when they see what a big softy he is 🙄)

The nature/nurture argument. Irresponsible dog owners will be and are irresponsible with any type of dog. However the risks are too great when an irresponsible owner is combined with an aggressive breed of dog who weighs the same as an adult human. There was a dog mentioned on the radio that weighed 52kg, last week.
Last year in some news story there was a dog that weighed 12st. I imagine even the most experienced and responsible owner would struggle to control, or , if needed, overpower a breed that big. There surely has to come a point where the size/muscle mass/jaw strength etc has to make it unsuitable as a domestic pet in any circumstances.

Most fatal dog attacks seem to happen in a home setting so the muzzle in public won't prevent that.

I agree.

There will never be a "pet strain" of a breed like this.

Exactly what I thought.

It's a shame for the woman who died and her poor wee grandson, but from the dogs perspective they were protecting their babies.

It's a shame for the woman who died and her poor wee grandson, but from the dogs perspective they were protecting their babies.

This is utter victim-blaming. Male dogs don't have protective instincts towards their own puppies yet it was happy to join in mauling the woman to death. Normal dogs don't behave like this.

@SicParvisMagna , my DB lives in Jaywick, three streets away from the house where this happened.

I agree with every word of your post. It is, without exception, the most deprived and depressing place it has ever been my misfortune to visit. I grew up on the roughest council estate in Croydon in the 60s/70s, so my bar is set pretty low!

Normal dogs tend to bite once as a fuck off

This was a mauling also dogs don’t have people feelings. Yes a mother dog will protect her offspring but again a growl and a fuck off bite if you ignore.

Not a full on assault. Dad dogs are mainly not near pups because they can’t be trusted. All they care about is getting the fuck from the female again puppies get in the way of that.

We are in a climate emergency.
Regardless of their danger to humans, no one should be getting a dog as a pet - they are a luxury the planet cannot afford. Assistance and working dogs are, of course, an exception.

They've been lining the Cane Corso up for a while. The ones with more cash have Corsos and other large mastiff breeds (genuine breeds so cost more).

There will always be another 'It' breed for these morons. So there should be more done to develop and enforce proactive legislation as well as reactive. Unfortunately, proactive legislation is much harder and more expensive than reactive.

I think that instead of the "XL bully ban" they should have cracked down on ear dripping. It's been banned in the UK for almost 20 years!

I would say that every single breeder who cuts their puppies ear is a shit breeder (and is unlikely to have breed for placid temperament) and everyone who buys a cropped puppy is either ignorant or wants their dog to look "hard". Neither are likely to be good owners. I think if all illegally cropped dogs had been seized and destroyed it would have helped (it's a shame for the dogs, as it's not their fault what happened to them, but humans are more important).

I would also like to see the import of cropped puppies banned - it must be traumatic to have their ears cut, taken away from their mother and then taken on a very long journey from somewhere where cropping is legal to the UK at such a young age!

This whole case is bloody awful. I expect this prick thought he was a great owner. The bloody arrogance of him! I will guarantee he thought he could control his dogs and had “trained” them to obedience. Well here is the result, the scum bag.
There’s a stupid meat head at the bottom of our village that enjoyed intimidating owners and smaller dogs until his monster ripped a jack Russel to shreds. The dog was seized and destroyed. The poor JRs owners are still traumatised. The meathead had already let his monster impregnate his girl monster… so another litter of aggressive pups was sent out into the world. I doubt any of them will be registered but to be honest what good does registering/neutering/chipping do if they bite your face off in your living room?

ABSOLUTELY agree with this.
Ear cropping is absolutely barbaric.

It is done illegally in UK where it has caused dogs terrible pain.

It's utterly pointless.

They say ''It stops them getting torn in fights'' ..In Dobes, it's done to make them look more intimidating.

Some Pits have the ears almost amputated close to the head, like two ugly stumpy horns.

It should be illegal to import ear cropped dogs.

Pit and XL owners say ''But wot about neutering..that's worse''

I know, i was listening to R4 on the criminal gangs who put their shoplifters into squats, despite it being a crim offence, the Police take no action, the owners of these properties have to go through the civil courts, despite the shoplifters often being tagged, this takes years.

Link to XL bullies? Criminal gangs will use these dogs to threaten and intimidate, dog fights alongside illegal gambling.

the Police seem pretty useless in so many cases, i don't know if its lack of numbers, incompetence/corruption or paper work but something has clearly gone very wrong, they seem a reactive force.

@oakleaffy the number of people who don't recognize what breed our Dobie is because his ears don't stand up is shockingly high! You still see quite a lot of cropped Dobies around - one even won the local dog show a couple of years back...

There's a massive Cane Corso near us with cropped ears. Never seen him (or possibly her) do anything other than walk nicely on the lead but I always leave a lot of space if we have to pass. They probably think I'm worried about my dog being reactive to theirs, but I don't trust any dog with cropped ears - I know some might be legitimately rescued by good people, but that's probably the minority.

We have a Staffy and I can honestly say our cat is more dangerous!

The Kept Animals Bill, which included banning the importation of dogs with cropped ears, got rejected in Parliament.