Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies

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Grandmother killed by 2 XL bullies whilst apparently separating fighting bully pups.

Longer jail sentences, minimum of 5 years for owners of dogs that kill people for not controlling them.

Aibu?

Thought police had to carry their warrant cards at all time and had to intervene if something’s happening

Scummy place. My ex best friend moved there from near West Wickham and opened a bar there.

If the dogs are too dangerous to be around the owners children then they are too dangerous to be around mine (in the street/the park/the forest/the garden if they come through the fence). Which means they need to be euthanised.

@Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain I think the confusion is that a British policeman is more likely to recommend 999 rather than 911

Honestly I’m not lying! He may have had a warrant card on him but didn’t have his stab vest on so he said and therefore didn’t get involved. Had he had a stab vest on he said he would’ve got involved. He was sympathetic though. Quite literally just walked to train station next to the shop.

After all the Sarah Everard stuff you really believe a lot of what police tell you?

Yes I saw that! It was like some sort of abandoned caravan park. Horrific. People with one set of teeth between them living on a diet of strong lager.

Whatever number it was I can’t recall exactly it could have be been 999 but I thought that was no longer in use. I don’t call emergency services and haven’t needed to for years.

Well, no, to be fair. They’ve plummeted in my expectations

We need to move from a banned list to an allowed one, with everything else by default banned.

That seems like a very sensible idea. Permitted breeds.

I have to post in defence of Dobermans! If you look up deaths from dogs in the UK, there is only one Doberman in the list and if you look at the details it seems that the dog was trying to help its own who had had a seizure.

We have a 21 month old Dobie, and we have to be careful of people in the house as he loves everyone so much he sometimes manages to give them a "Glasgow Kiss" in his enthusiasm. He tried to jump into the plumbers arms...

He is super-tolerant as well (of our kids and the 9 month old sprocker). I wouldn't let him loose near small children as he is big and clumsy. I have lost count of the number of little old ladies who want to say hello as they had Dobermans in the past!

I have had words with him about the fact that he is bred to be a personal protection dog, and he can't do that if he is a mile away chasing deer (he is not let of the lead outside secure fields any more).

Breed does matter, but also the individual dog!

The problem with the 'Its not the dogs its the owners' is that aggressive shits who don't know how to control dangerous dogs and have no intention of being responsible always go for dogs that cause the maximum damage. You don't get these morons walking round with a cockapoo on a lead. It's a bit late to say 'Oh you're a bad owner' once a dog has killed someone and been shot dead as a result.

Like everything else and it is a huge failing with so much in the UK, there is little enforcement of the law

Ain't that the truth jasflowers

The bans don’t address these owners though. They just move on to the next status dog, it’s happened for as long as I’ve been alive.
so both statements are true. It’s not the dogs it’s the owner, and it’s the breeder that produces the status breed capable of this

I wish they'd ban all domestic dogs. Really I do, I am sick of them everywhere and the idolisation of their owners, who expect me to ooh and aah and suffer them everywhere I go. If I open my mouth to object to a dog running towards me the owner often replies, ah s/he's just playing etc. No not with me they're not. Can't go for a walk, for a coffee, to the shop, for a drink without these hairy creatures all in these places with me.

Working dogs are all that should be allowed. There is no room left for people in urban areas not to mind thousands of dogs. Begone!

I am a bit wired about this subject because 15 years ago I was attacked by a large dog in the local park. Knocked me down and I suffer the consequences of that injury to this day. So nothing will change my mind. I do not like what dogs are doing to our environment and our quality of life.

So there, I feel better after getting that out.

I am terribly sorry for the lady who died.

I queried because 911 isn't the number for police or any emergency service in the UK and a Met police offer would know that.

The whole breed should be exterminated. No-one should die like that.

Assuming the reports I have heard are correct and it was her grandsons father who was the owner and the child lived in that house and the father owned the dogs and puppies then it is an extremely sad world we live in that he prioritised those dogs over his own child.

Oh yes, I remember watching some of that programme. The houses/chalets looked barely habitable.

Owners of dogs should also have to have their premises checked regularly to ensure they are secure with sufficiently high walls/ fences that dogs cannot escape from their property.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land 😂

I’m old enough to remember when dobermans and Rottweilers were the status dog of choice and people were calling for them to be banned.

the same shit dog owners that exist now existed then, they moved on to the next “type” of choice. The dogs are victims of fashions. Only now they breed them to spec, the poor monstrosity’s created. It’s not fair on the dogs produced, to be breed to ultimately die.

that’s what the law needs to address, it’s always the shit humans doing this to animals. Wether In poor breeding or poor ownership.

We need tough jail sentences for irresponsable owners who don't register and neuter their restricted dog breeds... These bully breeds are a menace to public safety!! What some people don't know is that these dogs were bred and selected to be violent and deadly to fight in pit fights for sport... They're genetically wired to kill

I googled...It does indeed seem desperately run down.
Trip advisor said it's grim, too with dog shit in abundance and dirty nappies strewn on the 'beach'.
Expect those that can get the hell out ..it looks like a sort of run down trailer park crossed with a shanty town.

I wanted to adopt a tiny Lurcher from RSPCA...they insisted on 2 metre high fencing or no dog!
I'm very glad they did insist, as it meant I didn't have to worry when she was in the back garden.
Fence {custom made bespoke} cost way more than she did.
Good fences make good neighbours.

Dog warden came round to check as well!

the difference here is that I would choose to stick my arm in a tiger cage and it would be MY fault. If I go for a walk and an XL bully dog attacks me, when I am just minding my own business, its the fault of the dog and the owner of the dog!!

If a tiger excaped from a zoo and killed people then the zoo would be responsible. They are animals and we need to treat them as such and be responsible for them at all times.

I have a dog, a labrador, that I walk off lead. I walk her off lead because she has 100% recall to my whistle, she is also trained to walk next to me if we meet another dog. If i tell her she can 'say hello' she may choose to interact with the other dog. If i say nothing she will walk beside me. That is because I have TRAINED her. I have spent HOURS doing this and I am aware of where she is at all times.
She would be on a lead on footpaths at all times too.

I am a responsible owner, she has been neutered, microchipped and insured.

Where is the mansplaining?