Why am I being asked by the NHS if my 8 month old baby 'still identifies as the gender assigned at birth?'

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We had a medical concern with our 8 month old baby, so I rang 111 for advice, we got directed to a lovely nurse to ask further questions, all going well until she asked....

'Does she identify as the gender assigned at birth?'

Oh wait a minute, let me just ASK her..

Surely parents wouldn't have made that decision to 'change the gender' of their baby?

What is going on, I understand the question may need to be asked for older teenagers/adults but a baby?!?!

Aibu to feel a bit annoyed and confused?

My gay male friend has just been asked pre op if he could be pregnant. Fucking lunacy

Yes, it's one of many silly things the NHS ask and do but my thoughts and prayerz are with the staff who are required to ask them. I know a lesbian woman who was required to have a pregnancy test before her treatment! She's been married for ten years.

There are a damn sight worse things going on in the NHS though. Don't get worked up about this, you'll only raise your BP and not be able to get a GP appointment to discuss it!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/parents-lose-custody-of-suicidal-trans-child-14-for-refufacsing-treatment/ar-BB1hvTM8

There is indeed more to come......

Yes, that's a direct equivalent. And belief in gender identity ideology can be compared to a belief in a religion.

This ^

This country is completely fucked.

Yanbu it’s ridiculous. I had to do a very short self referral form for physio and there was 3 questions about gender and pronouns but none about disabilities. I don’t see how it’s to cover protected characteristics.

My dad has cancer treatment medications, he’s in his 70’s, and has to confirm he isn’t pregnant to be allowed them!

I imagine there are sometimes practical applications for asking the patient’s religion even if they are young. Let’s say they are JWs and the doctors decide the baby needs a transfusion. Having this information upfront would be helpful and allow them to plan how it would be managed legally considering the parents are likely to oppose it.
Or if the baby needs a funeral and the family is not in a position to organise this themselves for whatever reason.

More specifically, try asking the Secretary of State for Health. Her nxme is Victoria Atkins and she is the best person to explain this madness.

A physical letter is the best way to make her sit up and take notice. Perhaps you could refer her to this post. There's an election looming so she may actually listen.

It’ll just be a standard question. It makes sense to ask everybody every question on the list, even if some may not be relevant, rather than to make a judgement based on whether some questions are/ aren’t relevant and end up making the wrong judgement and have someone make a discrimination based complaint. I’m sure there is the potential for certain men to complain that they weren’t asked if they were pregnant even though biologically it would be impossible, it’s easier just to ask everyone everything than to risk not asking something to the one person who will take it further.

Unfortunately your not allowed much scope for flexibility in the 111 triaging as it’s all recorded so it has to be a script they follow. It protects the patients and call handlers/nurses or whoever else gets involved with the triage so please remember that the next time you think about ‘losing your shit’ or ‘making snarky remarks’. They hate it as much as you do!

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id just say I doubt she knows what she is at the moment
but you’re welcome to ask her

I certainly wouldn’t humour this with a serious response

hospitals do need to know religion if you feel it’s relevant.
As Catholics they were able to get hold of our priest quickly for the ‘Last Rights’ for my patents

Perhaps she asked the question by mistake if she's asked all her adult or older children callers the same question.

These scenarios always remind me of this quote-

“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

This is why it’s difficult to shrug and move on, because we are being forced to go along with something no one believes in.

I believe NHS 111 has a separate team for under 5s. So someone should at least be having the common sense to remove that question for all these calls. If anything it’s a complete waste of time when lots of people need help. I’d also assume someone is not doing their job properly if they asked me that about my kids.

This is not new, but is probably worse now.

I had a vasectomy in 1972, and was asked to sign a form "I understand by this operation I may become sterile".

This was in Canada, btw. Probably to deter a lawsuit if someone changed his mind.

It's not. Don't even try that shit. It comes from a place of genuine concern. I didn't mention mental illness, you did, there are plenty of medications which cause confusion.

It's an incoherent rant which suggests considerable confusion. I mean, "dodgy child molestors" who thinks there are non-dodgy child molesters?

YANBU its the same with the terms chest feeding and birthing person instead of breastfeeding and mother. And the other mad stuff thats going on,not going to mention that would like this account to stay active for little longer.

It's not. It comes from a place of genuine concern. I didn't mention mental illness, you did, there are plenty of medications which cause confusion.

It's an incoherent rant which suggests considerable confusion. I mean, "dodgy child molestors" who thinks there are non-dodgy child molesters?

It is indeed batshit, but the problem is that the NHS allows people to change the sex marker on their NHS records. And it’s a relatively easy process, I think.

So there are female people who are officially male on their medical records, and vice versa.

No one in the NHS seems to have thought this through: never mind the confusion this can cause, and the inconvenience for the great majority, it might actually create dangers for patients, given that some screenings are sex specific and some test results, for example, have different variables for each sex.

It’s actual sex that should be recorded on medical records IMO, not this ridiculous system where sometimes it means actual sex, and sometimes it means the sex somebody wants to think they are, and nobody knows WTF is going on.

But as others have said, this is the level of ideological capture in the NHS (and the civil service, our education system, the police, judiciary, media, etc etc etc) today. Not good.

Just a quick comment to say that I completely get in the majority of scenarios there is a really obvious answer to these questions and it seems a ridiculous/funny ask, but there are rarer scenarios where having this information up front is really helpful, including in babies, where say the genetic sex and biological sex have not been the same due to genetic/developmental differences and this has caused other health issues which has caused somebody to call 111…

Having said that, I don’t know whether that question in the 111 call is there for those rarer medical scenarios or is a social thing.

It’s unfortunate the NHS wastes time and money on this utter shite. My MIL got asked if she was or could be pregnant. She asked the nurse why she was asking when she knows she is over pension age FFS. She said was part of an “inclusivity” drive and they are not allowed to assume! I just fucking despair and makes me glad we have decided to leave this mad country.
No wonder the govt wants the NHS to get rid of the dickheads being paid vast amounts of money to propagate this bollocks

@AllGrownUp1465 taking the morale highground by using this poor teenager's murder to shutdown discussions about valid concerns regarding gender ideology (that people have a right to an opinion on) is very disingenuous. Of course everyone is appalled by Brianna's murder. Also, your belief that she was targeted for being trans is unsubstantiated as the murderers had many kids on their 'kill list,' and being trans does not appear to have been a particular motivation. But, even if she was targeted for this reason, using her murder as emotional blackmail to shutdown valid critique or questioning of gender ideology in any context shows your faux- outrage for what it is - purely based on an agenda.