Why am I being asked by the NHS if my 8 month old baby 'still identifies as the gender assigned at birth?'

[Beatricebotterx]

We had a medical concern with our 8 month old baby, so I rang 111 for advice, we got directed to a lovely nurse to ask further questions, all going well until she asked....

'Does she identify as the gender assigned at birth?'

Oh wait a minute, let me just ASK her..

Surely parents wouldn't have made that decision to 'change the gender' of their baby?

What is going on, I understand the question may need to be asked for older teenagers/adults but a baby?!?!

Aibu to feel a bit annoyed and confused?

There are some rather stupid replies here. And some real naivety about reality. Yeah men get asked if they’re pregnant before a scan, because trans men might be and staff don’t necessarily know if you are one (depends on the approach adopted by individual hospitals to patient ID). As for the posters guffawing at the idea of a ten year old smoking…….you’re very fortunate that idea is hilarious.

There are some people here who’d clearly be shocked by the range of ages across which I’ve seen patients with STIs or drug use.

A rude sarcastic response is fine; intelligence, good manners or an awareness of the world outside your home aren’t being assessed.

My 10 day old was asked the same.

The UK Government is in charge. The Government is Conservative - not Communist. Current political correctness is down to Conservative policy. A way to divide and conquer as you rightly say.

The dominant culture in any society reflects the ruling class of that society. Take it up with Mr Sunak.

Nothing whatsoever to do with Communism 'from each according to their talents, to each according to their needs'. Marxists are materialists - believe in economic reality not 'political correctness'.

I was asked, on the Census form, how DD1 would describe her national identity. She was about four months old at the time. The temptation to write goo goo ga was strong.

The Conservative Government is in charge. They make their Conservative rules. The NHS is obeying their Conservative instructions.

Write to your Conservative MP / Conservative Health Minister/ Conservative PM Rishi Sunak.

How does this relate to Marxism?

I think it’s just a set of questions and they don’t deviate at all. When my daughter was 10 days old I called 111 and they asked me if she was behaving normally for her. And I said I don’t really know, I don’t know her, she’s only just over a week old. And they said well we need an answer please. And I was like 🤷🏽‍♀️😂 she has no normal!
I think it’s just they have a script and must ask every question.

Batshit.

DH had an MRI on his knee. The poor woman doing it said ; 'I apologise, but I am required to ask this question... could you be pregnant?'.

It's a nonsense and makes fools of everybody. And if you do not know why they are asking (institutional ideological capture) then it lowers faith in the professionalism and plain fucking common sense of the person you are trusting with your health.

In years to come i believe strongly that this will be taught in schools as a 'wtaf were they thinking?' way.

111 asked if my 6 month old could be pregnant 🙃 it’s very definitely a one-fits-all form

But medically you are either make or female. You can't change that so we are we pretending?

I think that the questions are asked to all people regardless of age, which seems a bit silly, but I'm sure that there at some point in the future, a parent of a child that young will decide to change their gender.

I can see why they need to ask the question. I recently went to the doctor because I was in pain. I had no idea that it was caused by the birth of my child over 2.5 years ago, so was definitely related to being biologically female and I need to be treated as such. If people respond to questions about sex/gender with their chosen gender, it completely changes the ability to treat them correctly.

You get asked about gender, and then about gender identity on NHS forms in order to back-calculate your biological sex. There is only one marker in your notes - and it is a 'gender' marker and can be changed at will.

It is a nightmare - sometimes it is genuinely hard to tell people's biological sex because procedures/treatments get done privately (therefore not in the notes) and notes get redacted. And sex is vital to understanding risk of disease, blood test results etc etc etc - this should not even need to be spelt out. The NHS have capitulated to activists demanding gender override sex in documentation, and it is a mess.

So please please PLEASE can all the people who thinking asking a baby about gender identity or a man about the possibility of being pregnant- PLEASE complain. Healthcare people like me have been expressing concerns but until patients start complaining vociferously nothing will change. Complain in writing to your GP practice, your Trust, to your MP, to the local ICB. Please.

My suggestion would be that we record SEX (not observed, not assigned but established at birth - or earlier!) and ask 'do you have a gender identity?' and if yes then freetext for what it is. Other possibilities also make sense but in heslthcare sex is vital (even for transgender people) and we need to renew its primacy.

Well said! I feel for you all working in the health service I really do.

I think it's more likely to pave the way for AI at the other end of the phone, or the other side of the triage desk, which will save alot of money. People are being weaned off any expectation of human sense or feeling in their interloctutor.

Wouldn't that be a standard question these days, I'd just say yes & move on

I was once asked at an ultra sound in a maternity hospital if there was any chance I was Pregnant 🤣 I felt sorry for the sonographer having to ask that to someone 34 weeks pregnant

Maybe if they reviewed whether it's necessary to ask 50% of the questions they could cut down time and see more patients?

It's not the wonderful drs and nurses and blue light staff that are the problem.

It's the suits at the top making pointless virtual signalling decisions.

Please don't. This normalises it. Make a fuss, complain, do something. People with agendas shout louder and your quiet acquiescence facilitates them. (Sorry, not singling you out but it's a common response). Maybe collecting your gender information rather than sex doesn't matter in some settings, but in healthcare it is vital.

Could it not also be that producing various different forms would also create extra costs?

It’s creeping into everything. I was reading a novel the other day, written in the last couple of years. A woman was chatting to another woman who had recently given birth and she asked how she (the baby girl) was doing. Then quickly apologised saying “sorry I didn’t mean to assign a gender to your baby”. I was thinking wtf?! It’s madness.

Christ alive the NHS is on it's knees, I would never complain about anything to them, unless they'd cut my leg off accidentally or something. It's not life or death - not to me sorry. I'm just not seeing what the issue is here.

How is it at all relevant to the treatment advice they will offer?

I'd have to say something! Write to chief officer of 111 (whoever that is?), or leave a care opinion review along the lines of, “this question must be important for care delivery reasons so I'm keen that I get it right if asked again. How do I work out was gender my 8 month old identifies as???“

How bizarre. Reminds me of the time my DD phoned the NHS 111 helpline because her DD was being sick. She was told someone would call back within the hour. Sure enough they did,and asked to speak to my DGD. She was 4 weeks old!