To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

I think the Conservatives might come a cropper with 3 word slogans now. Everyone knows what they are up to and also knows they signify bollocks and a complete inability to deliver.

Strong and Stable
Take Back Control
Get Brexit Done
Stop the Boats

All being great examples.

Labour won’t deliver what people expect on the policies they have

They’ve been out so long there’s a kind of nostalgia working for them

I hope nobody is suggesting "Long term decisions for a brighter future" isn't catchy.

We've seen, indeed experienced, what the Conservatives can achieve.

I hated Blair/Brown and never voted for them.
I look back on those times with fondness now. I was in a reasonably low paying public sector job and exH wasn't working when I unexpectedly found myself pregnant. Husband got a (quite low paid) job and we were able to afford childcare and buy a house so we could both work.
Most people seemed to be doing OK, lots of my friends could choose to stay at home.
Austerity was when it got painful and it's stayed painful since. For what? More debt, more public spending, lower and lower living standards, falling life expectancy.

No way would I vote for more of that.

Looking at funding it’s very low, from gimmicky policies

Going back to the op there was a way to get a bump but it has been ruled out already

As someone who voted remain it would have been something I’d seriously look at

I disagree - Cameron was the main driver behind the austerity policy, and he was staunchly against leaving the EU; losing the referendum was the reason he quit, after all.

Austerity was a political decision, but Brexit was all about finances (and not the public finances).

The irony is that we might not actually have a choice now. Austerity can be for two reasons - either getting the country's finances back under control, or because there's no money left anywhere.

The former is a choice, and we're in the early stages of the latter (which isn't).

With the NHS on its knees, councils going bankrupt (who even thought that could be a thing, 10 years ago?), infrastructure crumbling around us, cost of survival (not just living) going through the roof, foreign investment drying up, the education system in tatters...it's going to be a decade or two before the country recovers in the best case, and it's only going to get worse because any incoming government needs to basically build from scratch with nothing in the pot.

Of course, because it'll take more than five years to show recovery, Labour (presumably) will be deemed a failure by the bumbling fools that are the electorate (none of us are as dumb as all of us), and then we're back to the Tories tearing it all up in an effort to be "different", and fucking it all up again.

Cameron was the main driver behind the austerity policy

I think if you’re going to pin austerity on any one person, it would be Osborne and not Cameron. But when you look at the choice or not to have a referendum in the first place, if it fell squarely to one person then PM Cameron simply wouldn’t have called it. Reality was that it was pressure from within the party to call that referendum, not DC’s choice. You’ve only got to look at how the Tufton street mob is still the tail that wags the dog- Sunak only has limited real control; this is not a new concept within the Tories. So I think the decision to implement austerity was likely made from behind the leadership and with an ulterior motive (lay the groundwork for Brexit) and not directly down to one person for one reason. That’s just my opinion, and why. I may be wrong but that’s my thinking.

@ntmdino

brexit was all about lies, racism, ignorance and the Tory party.

mist who voted could not tell you the difference between the EU, EEA and customs union. If you didn’t know how could you vote as you didn’t know what you were voting for and about.

Cameron did it to shut up the crazy right wingers.
he failed and the Uk is a shit show.

PS Farage as an EU passport due to his ex German wife. So do his kids.

so it’s clear the UK will rejoin and it will loose its op t outs and hence the pound.

it’s not of it’s when.