To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

Looks like a reasonable projection based on whats currently happening.
It's fine though, brexiteers knew that's what they were voting for and remainers lost and should get over it

Oh Clav, thank goodness you're a good sport - you've been here for years taking all sorts of nonsense on the chin.

Soon they might start calling you a Russian, Tory, Bot, DM Journo too. As a fellow stoic I'm sure you contain your laughter to RL, just dipping your toe in enough to pique the 'outraged'.

Nice one.

AdamRyan
Looks like a reasonable projection based on what's currently happening

Even a journalist from the New European thought it was far too pessimistic.

I’ve thought the same. So much ire

And rarely lobbing it back

Hmm. I'm still waiting for our frictionless borders, oven ready deals and all the much cheaper shoes to transform my life

TheHateIsNotGood

Thanks

@AdamRyan have you tried Vinted ?

You don't mind the UK wanting to break international law in a specific and limited way but complain about the EU behaving in an opportunistic way?

Don't forget powerful vacuums! It's gonna transform my life!

What about al those easiest in history trade deals and holding all the cards?

No Duncin, as I said I'd rather we out-sourced housing our asylum seeking applicants to a third country with successful applicants having the right to return and live in the UK.

Both Rwanda and Albania seem fine host countries to me, I'm happy to holiday in either; even happier to get a job if the in situ CS workers are too scaredy-cat.

Breaking international law was in reference to the Irish border and the GFA. But yes it also applies to the Rwanda plan.

I agree with safe routes for asylum seekers.

Rwanda might be great for holidays but it is not a safe country for refugees.

The UK now has a return policy with Albania

Yes up to 15 years. Lots had been in the EU longer than that including a British war hero that campaigned to be able to vote. They were not allowed to give an opinion.

They are being wooed now by the Tories....

with successful applicants

But currently around 3 in every 4 or so applicants are successful.

So you propose to send all applicants abroad at a cost of 150k per human being for 75% percent of those to be then returned?

And remember this strategy is meant to be a deterrent, no?

Woukd you say it’ll be effective? Value for money? Achieve anything?

Big fat no if you’re in any way thinking about reality.

Its not designed to make people think. It’s designed to divide, and get people angry. It’s designed to make people hate

This is the bullshit govt policies only the truly stupid will get behind.

I think it’s worth remembering that pre-referendum polls showed that a majority of Leave voters though that significant damage to the UK’s economy was a price worth paying in order to leave the EU.

Some of these stories may cause the minority of leave voters, those who care about the economy, to have some regrets but for most leave voters this was an ideological matter and resulting economic hardship is something they’re content with.

Still have to add customs charges if sending to EU or at
least you do with eBay. Once you add on postage it basically doubles the price for someone in the EU buying from the uk .

But at some point it has to be said 'The Law is an Ass', Duncin. Neither the people nor govts of both the RoI and the UK want a border. To what end does applying this divisive "International Law" achieve?

The people of RoI, NI and the wider UK have lived under a Peace that the vast majority felt comfortable with. Why start to inflame fires on various nebulous bases because some Law created somewhere says so?

Well I think they might get a nasty shock .

Edited - I think I got confused with EU voters

I doubt he’s not allowed to sell his products to the EU but once they add on custom and paperwork costs etc they probably won’t be competitive enough for him to sell there and make any profit.

Holidaying is one thing.

Living there is different.

AdamRyan
Suggest you look into what Carole Cadwalladr has been saying. Unfortunately some of it has gone due to ongoing libel case, but in summary there are suspicions it's financial, supported by Russia as part of a strategic plan to undermine the West so Russia can increase her own power.
It sounds like a conspiracy theory but IMO she's been very thorough in her journalism and a lot of it rings true

Your links are from 2022 - more here (and yes, it does sound very much like a conspiracy theory);

May 2023
Journalist Carole Cadwalladr has been ordered to pay legal costs of around £1.2 million to Arron Banks after he partially won an appeal in a long-running libel dispute.

In June 2022, Mrs Justice Steyn ruled in favour of Ms Cadwalladr, concluding she held a "reasonable belief" that her comments were in the public interest until April 2020, when the Electoral Commission announced that a National Crime Agency investigation concluded there was no evidence to support the allegations against Mr Banks or his companies.

Mr Banks then went to the Court of Appeal, which partially ruled in his favour, concluding that it had in fact been defamatory for the allegations to still be published after it had become clear that they were unsubstantiated.

The ruling said she must also issue an apology and delete some tweets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65644475

The Supreme Court refused to let Cadwalladr contest the costs order (November 2023) - although there was talk about her taking the case to the European Court of Human Rights.

So what would you miss?

And living in the UK as a homeless family is different too. That was the life that ds and I lived 20 years ago; a time that I will never forget, couldn't even blame the Tories in those days. I would have happily grasped a space on the Bibby Barge, in Rwanda or Albania. And would still do so.

Fast forward 20 years and the housing situation in the UK has got even worse. We can't house all the people we have already, and we need to work that out first before getting all precious about where asylum-seekers are housed.