To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

Well, I've just found him on a BBC report from 2020 (regarding the prospect of 'no deal');

"David Catt, a fresh fruit and vegetable importer based in the southern county of Kent"

I guess I'm right then.

Breaking law is now acceptable?

Guess the likes of Johnson, Sunak et al agree with you

Pick and mix laws, what a sound idea

I said before, we bow to your expertise.

As Gove said, the people in this country have enough of experts.

Yes, Duncin, "The Law is an Ass" is a well-understood expression in legal 'thought'; ultimately meaning 'to challenge The Law' because because Laws constantly change; nothing is 'writ in stone'.

Therefore I assert if an 'International Law' is against the will and governments of the people involved it is 'assinine' or The Law is an Ass.

More of a law-changing rather than a law-breaking perspective; whilst I reserve my right to anarchy at any time :).

Yes given the world isn’t static laws get challenged over time

Exactly this. What a shit show.

@op

Brexit has ruined the UK.
I work and run a big international business and anyone who has it has not screwed the UK is

A. Lying
Or
B. Ignorant

We will have to rejoin and in doing so we loose our opt outs and the pound.

But that will be better

Probably a bit of an old fashioned (yet oft successfully implemented) view, is try and 'make do and mend' rather than wring your hands at the post-Brexit apocalypse; not wanting to minimize the 'trauma' invoked upon any remain voter who has yet to come to terms with the reality of it all.

From the 'Ashes a Phoenix Arises' - has worked as a mindset for many people post-conflagration - so there's always some hope, even for the remainers still clutching at straws, pearls, etc.

Oh we’ve all had to come to terms with it. No ones got a choice. But don’t think that doesn’t mean people will point out that a shit sandwich is indeed a shit sandwich. It’s actually leavers tying themselves in knots, the mental gymnastics olympics to try and tell us all the sky is green.

Look at the poll up there ^^

Look at the vast array of polls done by many agencies. The public knows it’s shit now too.

As time goes on, just the reality of demographics will make even more people think it’s shit. It’s been the direction of travel for years now a will continue to be, until there’s such a vanishingly small amount of those in support that the penny will drop whether they like it or not.

But there was no real need to make do and mend. The EU is what it is but to leave it was to cut the UKs nose off to spite its face. It was easier for the UK to be in voting and vetoing than being a neighbour trying to trade from the outside especially under the ‘deal’ negotiated by those oh so prepared uk politicians . On top of that younger generations have had the right to up and go off to an EU country , get a job and learn a language or whatever taken off them.

Make do and mend

A ringing endorsement for Brexit

If only they had put that on the side of he bus.

Here's the thing, though - every election since 2016 has been about Brexit. That's why the Great British Public has repeatedly voted in the Tories, despite it being blatantly obvious that they were wrecking the country more and more as time went on - but it's OK, because "Brexit".

I don't blame them. Tories gonna Tory, and we're currently on our 5th-choice PM (and even worse for the rest of the Cabinet, to the point where they had to recycle an old PM as an unelected Secretary just to find somebody who vaguely knew what they were doing). What has transpired in the Commons is the entirely predictable result of a Party being in power for too long.

No, everything that's befallen this country since is entirely the fault of the electorate, so desperate for some kind of Brexit they recognise as being somewhat related to the fantasy in their heads that they've willingly sacrificed the entire economic, social care and healthcare systems to get it by re-electing a government which was obviously no longer fit for purpose.

Brexit isn't the sole direct reason for the current shit state of the country (although it is a contributing factor). It is, however, what drove the idiotic public to bring it all on themselves by trying to get it.

yanbu…

I think the phoenix strategy of burning everything down in the hope of a resurrection to something better is actually a very good description of Brexit. Such a shame, because as a strategy for managing an economy and a society it's actually really shit. Anyone who thinks the collateral damage of such a path is acceptable is really not fit to vote like an adult.

That's a great post. So agree

There are ways to avoid this movement to Brexit or the EU version which we’re seeing in politics currently

You deliver on the thing that is frustrating people. The other nationality I’m used to did this decades ago. It now has a centre left party in power but still with that initial policy in place, because no one is mad enough to go back

I compare to countries really wrangling with the same issues - on increasing trends around trafficking etc and it will continue to heat up.

Once you sort it out and it becomes bipartisan the electorate moves on

Not what was promised no. But the Remain campaign knew this would happen and said so.

The biggest brexit benefits are for the very very rich, who hold their assets in offshore accounts to minimise their tax exposure. The EU was in the process of bringing in legislation to make this more difficult. They had to get Brexit voted through by 2017 to avoid these rules being imposed on the uk as an intrinsic condition of the Single Market.

Everything else was just flummery to hide this central goal.

@TheHateIsNotGood

so funny.
brexit is over.
and you will loose the pound

just watch.

i sorry to say brexit was always utter economic madness (if you think not you are economically illiterate), and was about racism.

people always forget what is good as they get used to it.

so everyone who is suffering now due to the costs and complain things don’t get done and voted brexit need to get a mirror and they can see who is to blame.

i am embarrassed for them

just look around at the mess in Britain

if you don’t see it well I pity you.

Brexit is the result of austerity and Westminster turning a blind eye to the challenges their voters face ( and I lump both Labour and Conservatives in to that element). Levelling up should have been more than a sound bite for Johnson to throw around.

Brexit is so costly that the full impact has had to be delayed over and over just to disguise it. Far from being the Conservatives crowning achievement of the last 14 years it's a millstone around their necks - and ours.

Voters highest priorities have been shown time and again to be cost of living, health & education/opportunities but still the Conservatives stick their fingers in the ears.

They can pretend to themselves that spending 100s of millions on the Rwanda plan will save their reputation but they've burnt through voters patience & goodwill.

I have no doubt the Conservatives will eventually reverse ferret and yes that will bloody cost us the pound.

What a waste of time, money and energy that could have been put to better use.

Brexit is similar to moves to the right in the EU, and increasing focus on immigration in US

It is not just domestic. People can’t be unaware of what is going on by now.

The friction between established international laws, created at a very different time, and increased people movement amd trafficking will continue. Until politicians can work out how to resolve it.

If Brexit was such a tremendous success then I would expect it to be plastered over the Conservatives campaign literature.

It won't be.

Similarly if Brexit was not wanted entirely it would be a campaigning asset to move away from it for Labour

It won’t be

Brexit is the result of austerity

My personal feeling is that austerity was all part of the plan towards Brexit- run the country down by slashing everything to the bone, and provide an “enemy” (the big bad EU) to blame. It’s a pretty widely held opinion that austerity was a politically led decision and nothing else. Perhaps that was a big part in its implementation. Idk.

Politicians got it wrong when they didn’t have the foresight to see what people might do

Germany currently feeling this and others

They ignored indication the electorate wasn’t entirely on board.

It’ll keep heating up because there is no legal release valve. Apart from other location permitted within law

Maybe Labour thinks it can attract that last 13% of people that think Brexit was a positive move.

But Brexit is the flagship policy of the Conservatives from the last decade. It should be their crowning achievement. Sunak was a Brexiteer from the start - he should be waving his Brexit credentials.

Instead they are hoping we forget all about it.