To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

More delusional bullshit ^^

I would be up for voting for a rejoin party

National act of self harm, we're slipping down and down into an unproductive, ineffective economy (more than before)

Ive said before and I say it again, you never seem to find anyone who voted for it now and yet it was the will of the people, an apparent 'vast majority' voted for it

What a mystery.

Totally agree with you op.

Leavers and the right wing media have imposed some sort of Omerta on discussing Brexit and its very real negative effects. It’s highly convenient for them and the politicians who should be held accountable.

No one was ever accountable in Boris Johnson’s world were they? And nor are they today. They all play the public school game of “it’s fine if you don’t get caught”.

It’s truly stomach-turning the damage they have done to the UK and its reputation.

I was always entirely obvious, unless you have a workable solution no one else has thought of? But you insisted it was all scaremongering at the time.

You got exactly what you voted for.

Some people just can't let go, and will be doomed to endlessly fight lost battles.
Divert the energy to more positive things.

Well I didn't get what I voted for because I voted remain, but thanks...

Not sure how it helps to make personal attacks like that either!

Who suggested it was all scaremongering?

I don't think that was the Op!

Brexit Would Have No Impact On UK Economy, Says Andrea Leadsom

x.com/andrealeadsom/status/744870845575749632?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Andrew Neil(16/06/2016) - You're claiming that we could leave the #Eu, but still access the single market on the same basis as we do now?

Andrea Leadsom - We will have the same access to the single market if we leave the EU. 🤔

x.com/haggis_uk/status/1227616012847198208?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

But BLUE passports!

What we truly need is a Brexit Commission on a statutory footing like the Covid one.

There were so much criminality in the entire debacle that it will likely take years to untangle.

It's a lost battle in the sense that we've left, we'd never get back in on the same terms, that damage has been done.

But they're planning to enforce controls they said would never be needed, that will cause harm. That's happening now, not in the past.

I don't spend my whole life gnashing my teeth about it but when I see an article flagging up just how utterly without principle or honour the brexit lot are, yes my teeth get a bit gnashy!

Hm @CranfordScones

I'm not sure it's that clear cut. As I understand it, the farmers are angry about pressures from energy and fuel costs going up, cost of living etc that cuts everywhere, and at a specifically EU scheme to reform CAP to improve sustainability.

Governments everywhere are looking at sustainability measures. Farmers in the UK are pissed off about the same things, even if they're not protesting in the same way. So I don't really think it's an EU issue.

It is quite a good example of where we're not 'controlled by the EU' but need to do basically the same things as the EU in order to meet a global goal - reducing carbon, improving biodiversity etc. Lots of the things the EU regulated might have caused challenges but they were necessary things to effect progress. Like GDPR etc. The need is still there, the rules will still be a pain, they just won't be EU rules.

There isn't a cloud cuckoo land where just because we're in the EU we can ignore outside pressures and problems.

And as to why goods should flow unchecked across borders - because removing barriers to trade is progressive? Because checks take time, cause bureaucracy, haven't been necessary for a long time, cause food waste and delay etc? Because checks also require exporters to bother with our red tape and a lot of them won't be bothered? Because a large part of brexit was supposed to be about reducing red tape but this imposes a lot more of it?

Those who think it's a grand thing to have markets to deal with for food products aren't factoring in climate collapse, environmental impact, or the fact that we don't grow/produce enough domestically to feed the population. And if you think the food situation is grand, just wait until you see what's coming with medication supply lines.... hope you and your family don't rely on any common drugs produced in Germany, say.

But hey, project fear, eh.

I think, in an ideal world, Brexit might allow and encourage the UK become a bit more self sufficient, which would be a good thing. It’ll be a long haul though.

I also worry that Labour will get in and be voted straight back out after five years. It’s so obviously going to take a while to stabilize and they will be blamed for not fixing it, even though nobody could manage it in that time scale.

It would take a politician with incredible communication skills and the ability to persuade people to trust that it’s a long haul to give them a proper chance. I don’t believe Starmer has those skills. It would take someone with Tony Blair’s charisma (at the start of his stint as Labour Party leader/PM) to pull it off and I don’t see anyone in the Labour Party who even approaches it.

How long will these sunlit uplands take to materialise? And in the meantime...?

Let’s be clear: Theresa May agreed a Brexit deal with the EU which would have meant no border checks on goods.

Boris Johnson sabotaged that deal and used the drama that created to force her out of office. Not because there was anything wrong with May’s deal, but because he saw a path to power.

The border checks aren’t the price we pay for sovereignty, they’re the price we pay for Boris Johnson getting to play at being Prime Minister.

"I think there is going to be some pain in the short term. It's not all benefits. But in the long term it will be much better for us to be more independent and have multiple sources for products rather than be overly reliant on just one partner. That's what opening up competition does."

The trouble with this scenario is that the EU is just over there...it makes much more sense to trade with our nearest neighbour than Papua New Guinea, or wherever. Dover is infinitely preferably to flying everything in from the other side of the planet. Remember air miles?

Remember also 'food standards'

This is exactly what my stbxh did. And he still stands by it. Hence the stbxh (amongst many other things.)

Just wait until the free trade deals are signed with India and others. If people voted for brexit to reduce immigration they are going to be in for a shock.
Again utterly predictable and discussed before the referendum but waved away as "project fear" by Brexit activists.
The next few years are going to be messy.

Andrea Leadsom needs to get back in her box and for a proper grown-up to padlock it properly this time.

Thank FUCK they have already super-glued Jacob Rees-Mogg's box shut or he would be extolling the patriotic virtues of eating our sovereign swedes, turnips & mangold wurzels instead of French cheese, wine & pate, and Dutch butter & salads.

Yes there was another thread that was interesting on rejoin, not the usual Brexit tirade usually found

I always wonder given the strength of feeling apparently that no votes on this in the offing. But it would take a good salesperson like that. Starmer is side stepping the too hard and wants Brexit voters anyway

To add - I don’t think many want rejoin but maybe SM / CU. Not sure though without a vote

Yes. All cheered on by a) the people who saw a disaster capitalism opportunity and b) the people they manipulated (mainly the people who were already the ones in areas most adversely affected by decades of Tory rule).

No wonder she turned up to his no confidence vote wearing a ballgown. She should have brought party poppers.

But we did get this so everything is great

Dover isn't "infinitely preferable" to any alternative.

It's great when it works and awful when it doesn't. If we want to continue to rely on it, fine. The problem is when it all goes wrong, the people who want to continue that reliance disappear into the woodwork with the profits they managed to extract and it's "no one could have possibly foreseen this was going to happen". Who does that remind you of ?

A bit like the GFC which was supposed to be a six sigma event but ended up hitting us out of nowhere.

Strategic bottlenecks and inbalances are bad news and should not be allowed to develop. However our EU membership has allowed lots of them to happen. The sooner they are unwound IMO the better. That's going to cause some short term pain.

Government these days is mostly about short term benefits rather than long term ones. Kick the can down the road, take the profits now, run up debt and hope imbalances that develop are someone elses (our childrens) problem. I'm one for thinking a bit more long term than that, and accept there are going to be some undesirable short term consequences as a result.

I didn’t vote for it but I think it has gone up by more