To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

Can someone please explain to me how Brexit benefits Farage.

It keeps an otherwise unemployable nonentity in booze and fags and a handsome salary (and a million pound house paid for by his paymasters) with a profile far higher than he would ever have achieved in his natural role as the obnoxious loudmouth standing at the end of the bar who everyone tries to avoid.

£26,000 a month from his media company. £7,800 a month while he was doing fuck all as MEP. His salary and shareholding in GBeebies. £1.5 million from ITV for "I'm a Celebrity." He's laughing all the way to the bank - and behind their backs he's laughing at the general public for being so stupid as to fall for his schtick.

He also owns the majority shares in Reform. Reform is a private limited company. Reform are bankrolled by amongst other things climate science deniers (GWPF) and investors in fossil fuels.

Do you know what influence the Greens have had in Scottish politics? It is much worse than UKip or reform because they actually have seats. Biological males going to womens prisons ring a bell?

Fringe parties have a big influence in FPTP (UKiP forced Cameron to call the referendum).

Macron has gone to the far right too so you can't say that this doesn't happen in PR. In fact it is more likely to happen.And the FN will get even more media attention than non-elected Reform..

Suggest you look into what Carole Cadwalladr has been saying. Unfortunately some of it has gone due to ongoing libel case, but in summary there are suspicions it's financial, supported by Russia as part of a strategic plan to undermine the West so Russia can increase her own power.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bindmans.com/knowledge-hub/blogs/arron-banks-and-carole-cadwalladr-what-does-it-all-mean/%3famp=1

https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy/transcript

It sounds like a conspiracy theory but IMO she's been very thorough in her journalism and a lot of it rings true

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/guardians-carole-cadwalladr-in-court-to-fight-defamation-claim-by-brexit-backer-arron-banks

Nigel Farage’s Leave.EU campaign, largely funded by £8m from Banks, the largest donation in British political history, had been found by the Electoral Commission to have broken electoral and data laws.

Maybe have a look at this, we could do with the availability of 'cheap' labour from the EU

https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1752781788831727907?s=20

How has England’s NHS fared under Conservative governments?

@C4Ciaran and @FactCheck have been crunching the numbers.

@IMustDoMoreExercise Ireland doesn't have far right in government.

Before Brexit Mumsnet held a vote, the majority favoured leaving, it was my first indication that the Mumsnet voters were mad.

https://x.com/LizWebsterSBF/status/1752970502887342111?s=20

GB News Rees Mogg floundering as a foodstuff exporter tells him how damaging Brexit has been to his industry. He cut him off at the end.

It was like a collective momentary madness had gripped the country. We had only just returned from working overseas so missed the build up. It felt like we’d stepped back into a completely different country to the one we left just after the 2012 London olympics.

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

Not sure about the whole country but at least 17m or so fit the criteria. They are however, banking on the 'great British public' doing what it does best aka have a moan and then do nothing.

The thing I find most bizarre with the recent flurry of Brexiteer activity is that they seem to be completely unaware that everything they did and said during the referendum campaign was documented and recorded.

The god-awful JRM, for example, has been doing the rounds claiming Brexit was an “act of self-sabotage”, ranting about trade barriers, and about how we need to go back to what we had before....as if he didn't spend 2015-2022 signing the praises of brexit at every turn.

Oh my. I am not a violent person but I wanted to slap Moggy round the chops with a wet gone off haddock. How that farmer kept his cool, I do not know.

Very well done to that foodstuff exporter.

Rees Mogg, someone who pretends to love the UK, just ignoring the fact that the apple orchards of Kent are being grubbed up to make vineyards is sickening to see.

He may survive on champagne for breakfast, lunch and dinner but the rest of us prefer to eat proper food that’s not full of hormones imported from the States.

No, sorry for the confusion. Ireland's is exactly the opposite of right wing at the moment.

the rest of us prefer to eat proper food that’s not full of hormones imported from the States.

So agree with this. Hormone beef and chicken from the US, no thank you. Last I heard, the Govt were trying to avoid labelling 'country of origin' on it, I hope that's changed.

Then UK was better in EU because UK politicians are not held accoutable in public for the lying in campaigns, scandals and unlawful financial benefits.

At least with 28 countries Union, they had some checks.

You say it will take time? Time is money. 50-100 years? What age would you be then? By then, not only current generation of adults would have a lifetime of poorer living conditions but children of today will also suffer from financial hardships, lack of opportunities.

Oh crikey Roussette I hope that suggestion wasn’t upheld! This is precisely the moment that we need country of origin labels more than ever!

You say it will take time? Time is money. 50-100 years?

Moggy said 50 years. Here he is on Question Time in 2020 ... everything he said hasn't happened, won't happen. Lies all lies

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"Last I heard, the Govt were trying to avoid labelling 'country of origin' on it, I hope that's changed."

If the UK and Comical Kemi is ever daft enough to do a trade deal with the USA this is exactly what will happen. The UK will not be allowed to label meat with "country of origin" or to declare that the meat might contain hormones, chlorine or other dangerous chemicals and veterinary drugs that are banned in the EU. It would also mean that the EU would ban the import of British meat products for fear that they contained meat that did not comply with EU standards.

Yes, it's all coming back to me now! If I remember correctly, the sticking point with the US was that they were insisting no 'country of origin' labels would be shown. Anyone fancy chlorinated chicken?!

I was buying meat in an EU country earlier this week and could clearly see its country of origin, where it was raised, and where it was slaughtered and processed.

I put it back on the shelf because three different countries were mentioned and I went for a reduced quantity of a local product.

Transparent labelling is good for animal welfare, good for the environment, good for local farmers, and good for the consumer.

We now have the bonus of 'not for EU' labels

Yes, I've seen some of those.
I wonder if we will see less EU products in our supermarkets as it's just too complicated to export food here.

I wonder if we will see less EU products in our supermarkets as it's just too complicated to export food here

I expect so.

Less choice, poorer quality. Higher prices.

Boiled frog syndrome because it’s happened slowly, and gradually. But don’t think people haven’t noticed…

They didn’t exactly put that on the side of the bus did they?

“Eat hormone laced inferior quality food, so that a few (already rich) CEO food importers can make even more money, while you plebs shopping in the supermarket can eat any old crap”

Doesn’t quite roll off the tongue so easy, eh, @Clavinova

Still living the dream I see🫥

What I would like to ask people who are still supporting Brexit - especially those in charge - is what do they know that people in Europe don't know. Why are countries like France, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria in the EU - don't they want control over their laws and borders and immigration or do they see something special in the EU and think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages?

Or maybe the UK is exceptional and we can see that it's better for us to be out, even though countries are trying to get in to it?

Why are countries like Norway who are not in the EU still have the Schengen area and enjoy good trading relations with the EU and are part of the customs union?

Maybe we know something they don't?

Post-Brexit food labelling rules to appease DUP will lead to higher prices, says industry | Brexit | The Guardian

I don't really remember people asking Johnson and Farage about Northern Ireland and Brexit - and all the potential issues it would cause.

I don't think it was in their plan.

He was asked about it back in 2017

Nigel Farage: My Simple Response To The Irish Border Question - LBC