To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

You mean Boris 'Only over my dead body will there be a border in the Irish Sea' Johnson?

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-08-13/irish-sea-trade-border-over-my-dead-body-says-johnson

Who knows Brexit might have been avoided had Brits living in the EU been allowed to vote in the referendum (which actually concerned them.)

I think you've misunderstood. At the moment the British government can strip UK citizens of their statehood on the flimsiest of reasons. Without notifying them first.

Including me.

Why are you being so offensive? It sounds like it’s you that needs to be educated.

I never voted (I was in labour). But I don’t know anyone (I have very middle class friends) who voted to remain.

Nobody was prepared for Covid. Does not mean lessons have not been learnt. By and large EU has more buying power than UK, an example is Canada trying to sell inferior meat which it agrees to not sell in EU.

How do they feel about it now?

JRM was saying that? Where? While at the same time saying brexit was the best thing ever no doubt.

What do they feel about it now?

Everyone I know who sound the same as your friends, now flatly deny they ever voted for brexit! I absolutely know they did, they were crowing about it afterwards, whereas I and my adult DCs had an enormous sense of dread.

Are they happy with how it is going?

A bit like Sunak celebrating the Windsor Framework by saying :

Northern Ireland is in 'unbelievably special position' because it gives the nation access to both the UK and European Union markets - making it the "world’s most exciting economic zone."

They should offer a referendum to the good folk of the EU contributors who seem very unhappy at the moment. The chaos continues today after yesterday's fiasco in Brussels and previously in France, Germany and Italy.

My favourite quote from this article is: Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban even complained that the endless noise from the tractors kept him up at night.

Parts of Europe have ground to a halt again as public transport strikes crippled Germany today and Belgium farmers blockaded Dutch border crossings.
As many as 2,000 trucks are also stranded outside the Port of Zeebrugge in Bruges after farmers blocked roads with heavy machinery.
Farmers across the continent have been protesting for weeks against grievances including taxes, rising costs, cheap imports, climate policies and bureaucracy.

Meanwhile Germany, which was hit by farmer demonstrations earlier this month, is now also facing a bruising public transport strike.
As 90,000 public transport workers were called on to walk off the job on Friday, bus and tram stations across the country ground to a standstill, disrupting millions of commuters and travellers.

'We have a dramatic shortage of labour in public transport and incredible pressure on employees. Buses and trains are cancelled every day in all fare zones because there are not enough staff,' Verdi deputy chairwoman, Christine Behle, said Monday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13037201/Belgian-farmers-lay-siege-huge-North-Sea-port.html#comments

So strike action = referendums? Interesting. It's not like we've been strike free is it? Maybe we need a second referendum.

National Farmers Union's Minette Batters tells @AndrewMarr9 that protests happening in France 'couldn't be ruled out' in the UK.

x.com/lbc/status/1752771370528752110?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Maybe we need a second referendum.

What for? To rejoin that chaos? Good luck pushing for that!

You suggested strikes should lead to referendums. We've had a lot of strikes!

There is a big difference in not being perfect and a complete mess.

A complete mess? My husbands French friend who lives in France won't even vote because he is so upset about the state of his country. He is in his 70s so has seen it all.

Maybe a referendum, but possibly to allow the Europeans to leave the EU and join the UK ?

As someone who spends a lot of time in France and Netherlands, we are considered to have lost our minds and are to be pitied. Sorry but no one is following the UK out of the EU.

There are about 10 countries currently applying to join the EU, haven't read about any country seriously wanting to leave

There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

Yawn.

Its not a total fuck up, there are swings and there are roundabouts and we are doing as well as several EU economies and better than many.

You are comparing life in 2016 with life now - post Covid (now there was a real fuck up) post Ukraine and post Net Zero.

You have no idea what state we would be in if we were still in the EU. All countries are struggling, look at all the farmers protests across the EU protesting about costs of all the rules and regulations around NZ. Germany, the economic powerhouse of the EU is teetering on the brink of recession and we would be expected to fill the economic gap.

🤣🤣🤣

The economy is between 4-6% smaller - 100 billion hit to prosperity. Leaving public finances less sustainable in part due to significant adverse impact on British trade.

www.ft.com/content/e39d0315-fd5b-47c8-8560-04bb786f2c13

But Germany.........

They are showing they aren’t happy. Negotiations will start and things will move on. A bit like the train strikes in the UK. The EU countries that I know are not in chaos at all.

Yes!! Love it 😁

The British electorate has come to its senses. The latest poll shows the percentage favouring Rejoining the EU has been very consistent for the past few months. The 37% that still want to stay out are virtually beyond redemption logic is totally lost on them

And here is the proof....