To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

That's true.

But if you were to introduce barriers to trade, extra checks on goods etc, what do you think the effect is most likely to be on the price and supply of such goods?

Well prepared

Notonthestairs
57% of Brits

I bet they're not all Brits - when I signed up to a well known polling company recently they didn't ask for my nationality.

exactly and that's why the vaccines weren't a Brexit benefit.

With all this winning ambassador you are really spoiling us🙄

Did I read the other day, company insolvency hitting a 30 year high?

5 times as many think Brexit was a mistake compared to those that think it was a success.

I guess you are in the 13% that believe Brexit was a success then.

DuncinToffee
exactly and that's why the vaccines weren't a Brexit benefit

What did Ed Davey and others say at the time - you can't have it both ways:

“This government has repeatedly and purposely put its Brexit ideology above people’s lives and livelihoods. There is no red, white and blue vaccine.”

"The U.K. government is putting their will to cut [their] connection to the European Union over the interests of patients"

'yet again putting ideology before saving lives'

favouring 'Brexit over vaccines'

'stubborn unwillingness to work with the EU' [is] 'unforgivable'

I don't know why Ed Davey said that, the covid vaccine was not a Brexit benefit but you know that.

Edit to say that I read that wrong, but the Covid Inquiry also established that the focus on Brexit impacted the UK 's preparedness for the pandemic

@Clavinova

Please stop pretending like you have any understanding of these issues. You don't.

Base case is an extra 0.2% of inflation over the next two years.

And before anybody says: "thats not a lot"

Here is a lost of a few things linked to inflation:

1. State Pension
2. Public Sector Pensions
3. Utilities
4. Train tickets
5. Insurance

That 0.2% of extra inflation is TENS OF BILLIONS of ££ that the taxpayer/comsumer will have to absorb in the UK.

People need to understand just how stacked the deck is against the UK right now. Living standards are deteriorating and its not going to get better anytime soon because there is no more money: we are still borrowing £200bn/year (8% of GDP) just to keep getting poorer.

DuncinToffee
the covid vaccine was not a Brexit benefit but you know that

I disagree.

the Covid Inquiry also established that the focus on Brexit impacted the UK 's preparedness for the pandemic

The Covid Inquiry also established/or will establish that the NHS was reliant on just-in-time PPE contracts - which were not honoured by companies based in the EU or were requisitioned by their governments - so much for the single market. Not to mention the over reliance on agency staff moving from care home to care home - no doubt encouraged by the availability of cheap labour from the EU.

Following the Shemima Begum case, the Tory government passed legistlation allowing them to strip any British citizen who may be eligible for nationality elsewhere of their statehood.

This disproportionately impacts British Jews, black, brown, Asian Britons and people from NI.

All without the need to inform them first.

I always thought that was the case well before Begum? They just couldn't leave you stateless?

@IMustDoMoreExercise "Hasn't the vote for Brexit proven that people will follow like sheep even if they don't know what they are voting for?

Yes, the Brexit vote showed what can happen if too much power is concentrated in the hands of too few people - in this case the Conservatives and their paymasters and client media. FPTP enables this rather than prevents it. The two major political parties dominate the political space in England to the exclusion of every other party. The LibDems find it hard to have their opinions heard. The Greens rarely get any airtime or media coverage - in some European countries the Greens are in government and have ministers.

I don't want a far-right party to take hold in the UK like it has in France, Germany, NL etc."

The Conservatives have morphed into a far-right party. Partly through entryism (former UKIP members and politicians becoming Conservatives) and partly by adopting the policies of far-right groups out of fear of losing seats to the Brexit Party and Reform. Farage and others get far more airtime and media attention than their Parliamentary representation should allow and to some extent the Conservatives are happy for this to happen - it makes the Conservatives appear to be more moderate than Reform, and serves the purpose of keeping Labour, LibDem, Greens and anyone else off the airwaves and off the front pages. Brexit Party/Reform have taken hold in UK politics without ever having an elected MP and only polling 1%-2% in the elections that they have contested.

Dear Andrea, have you a message for George Freeman, Tory MP, who can't pay his mortgage out of his salary of 120k pa plus expenses? Roll out all the benefits of Brexit please, they appear to be startlingly thin on the ground, in fact non-existent.

In fairness to Andrea Leadsom she also said -

"I’m going to nail my colours to the mast here: I don’t think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving."

I will never forgive those who caused this.

We can instantly kick start growth again by having a closer relationship with the EU. However, instead of this, Labour want to shake down a few thousand parents for some VAT money, like that’s going to plug the massive gaping holes in our finances.

Sadiq Khan is the only one saying anything. It’s like there’s some omertà going on with all other politicians. Why are we all being held hostage by some ‘red wall’ bollocks?

I bet they're not all Brits - when I signed up to a well known polling company recently they didn't ask for my nationality.

I am sure the Government won't mind, they are introducing legislation to allow people who haven't lived in the UK for over 15 years, to vote in elections.

This is what I wonder

So many links to polls on these threads

They’re pointless as for some reason Starmer is as worried about Brexit votes as anyone

Apparently nearly everyone regrets it but that’s only for polls not votes

It does seem like a cult. Brexit must be talked up no matter what and politicians who supported it must support it, no matter if new evidence comes to light that contradicts their beliefs.

And Labour don't want to talk about it because they are worried about it being used against them.

Large figures are used to "impress" voters such as when we joined the CPTPP trade agreement - and as usual, "Remainers" will seethe - again, more divisive language.

Finally a true Brexit success - massive new trade deal will make remainers seethe | Express Comment | Comment | Express.co.uk

Where as it looks like the OBR says it will add 0.04% to UK GDP after 15 years

UK’s flagship post-Brexit trade deal worth even less than previously thought, OBR says | Brexit | The Guardian

So much spin - and it's hard for people to see through it and to have meaningful discussions.

This.

Can someone please explain to me how Brexit benefits Farage. I can’t quite work it out. I can see that Johnson supported Brexit out of political expediency but is it just an ideological thing for Farage?

This was interesting and had some sobering statistics. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-uk-impact-eu-europe-remain-mike-galsworthy-campaign-b1136031.html

According to Bloomberg, Brexit is losing the economy £100 billion a year. Even the OBR estimates say the cost of three per cent of GDP will rise to at least four. Sadiq Khan intervened this month, claiming London’s economy alone has shrunk by £30 billion.

"We know immigration is good for a country. But we also need to help areas affected by immigration by supporting their public services. When EU migrants stopped coming, our Government had to go begging around the world to fill the gaps — but they didn’t tell the public.”

Along with immigration, the other word that dominated the debate was sovereignty. “Brexit is pure sovereignty shrinkage. Our citizens’ rights to travel, work, live abroad shrunk. Our businesses’ abilities to shape international market rules shrunk. Our scientists’ levers to design the policies of the multinational collaborative world they inhabit shrunk.”

I see Farage has been clashing with a Remainer activist

Nigel Farage clashes with Remainer in Brexit debate: 'Why have they got a flag?' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

And I do think that as the "Millennial wave" comes through, there will be more of a push towards some form of rejoining.

Yes. Boris Johnson is a vile individual who has done this country an untold amount of harm, all for self-interest.

At least that was for a reason not just because she was the wrong skin colour.

Macron wants people with foreign mothers born in France to have to apply for French citizenship at 16.

You sound very ignorant. Do you have any idea what's happening in care homes and social care generally now we've left the EU? I really hope you don't suddenly find yourself in circumstances where a carer is required, because there aren't any.