To be furious at Brexit checks 'price you pay to be sovereign again'

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again

Andrea Leadsom saying barrier checks are the price of sovereignty.

This is not what they promised, is it? The bare faced lies of it all. They've delayed introducing checks because they knew they couldn't square it with Leave campaign promises. In the end, the issue of NI was only solvable by these checks.

This is supposed to cost £330m a year. It will make food more expensive and supply less reliable. There is zero, absolutely zero, benefit to the country. It's just a direct detriment imposed because they can't accept the whole thing is a fuck up.

They never actually express what this sovereignty is supposed to do for us, or what was problematic about the EU rules. It's all on 'the principle of the thing'. Sovereignty won't feed hungry children, will it?

I think I'm just as piping mad about this as I was in 2016 - they're taking the whole country for fools.

So you have a lot of links about countries in the EU with medicine shortages?

So what have the EU done about it? Worked TOGETHER to overcome this?

The EU is seeking to safeguard its supplies by switching to a system in which its 27 members work together to secure reliable supplies of 200 commonly used medications, such as antibiotics, painkillers and vaccines.

But the bloc’s move to insulate itself from growing drug shortages threatens to exacerbate the increasing scarcity of medicines facing the NHS, posing serious problems for doctors.
“Europe is securing access to key drugs and vaccines as a single region, with huge influence and buying power. As a result of Brexit the UK is now isolated from this system, so our drug supplies could be at risk in the future,” said Dr Andrew Hill, an expert on the pharmaceutical trade.

So they have a problem - as we do - with medicine shortages. And are working to overcome it. Together. With their buying power.

No one is offering a significant change on Brexit

I thought it could happen but some votes may well count more than mine

It's very hard for people to change their minds about something.
They read facts that reinforce their view of the world.
I am probably the same - I voted Remain - and I no doubt find information that suits my view.
'I do look at the Express - just to see another point of view - but that is all so positive about Brexit - and describes people with a different point of view as Remoaners who get annhilated - it's all so divisive.

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I don't think that the people in charge are doing a good job at convincing people who voted Remain that Brexit is working and I don't think they are doing a good job at working with people who voted Remain. Focusing on one group and ignoring the real issues of Brexit, which are plain to see, is not going to help get people on side.

Medicine shortages in the EU vs UK

There is a real risk that measures in such a large neighbour, which is now a separate market due to Brexit, will leave the UK behind in the queue when shortages strike,” Dayan said.
“The EU has been scoping out buying more medicine jointly, starting with action on antibiotics next winter.
It also has an initiative for member states to transfer stocks of medicine to cover shortages in others. These measures could shut UK purchasers out in certain scenarios.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/jan/25/eu-plan-medicine-stockpile-uk-record-shortages

I’ve moved a bit since being a solid remainer

I read Brexit posters and can’t stand the insult tastic threads that happens so often

Having said that I wouldn’t say no to a vote on a shift

cakeorwine
As a result of Brexit the UK is now isolated from this system, so our drug supplies could be at risk in the future,” said Dr Andrew Hill, an expert on the pharmaceutical trade

That's the same article I quoted from;

But the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, which represents drug companies in the UK, denied the EU’s moves would necessarily worsen shortages in Britain.

David Watson, its director of patient access, said: “We recognise that, for a wide range of reasons, shortages do happen, and that we need to continue to work across borders to prevent and manage them for patients. We have no reason to think that the EU’s latest policies will adversely impact this ongoing challenge.
“The UK has its own well-rehearsed procedures in place to safeguard essential medicine stocks, working with companies.”

Yes.
I know.
I can read an article and quote from it as well.

The EU seem to be getting ahead of the game by working collaboratively and using its collective negotiating and buying power.

So like other countries, countries in the EU have experienced medicine shortages.

Still, I am sure we have planned ahead so we will be ok with getting medicines in the future.

My money is on a MayJune election. Announce a load of stuff that seems positive (tax cuts), effect a set of laws they've been delaying for 5 yrs (evidence they have done Brexit) but have the election before the economic costs are obvious to even the most obtuse, and buy their way to sorting out NI briefly so that looks resolved too now
They are full electioneering mode including the politicians lining up to replace Rishi. He'll trot off into the sunset post election, win or lose and whoever takes over after a loss will spend 5 yrs telling everyone "it was all on the road to recovery" before the election.

DuncinToffee
It also has an initiative for member states to transfer stocks of medicine to cover shortages in others. These measures could shut UK purchasers out in certain scenarios

A bit like the Covid vaccine? What did they say - 'the UK will be at the back of the queue' for Covid vaccines.

Anyway, what's this?

03 January 2024
A new system for authorising medicines has been launched by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to help bring new medicines to UK patients.

... the newly launched International Recognition Procedure (IRP) allows the MHRA to take into account the expertise of trusted regulatory partners in other countries when authorising medicines. These partners are regulators in Australia, Canada, Japan, Singapore, Switzerland, and the United States, as well as the European Medicines Agency, individual EU member states, and those in the European Economic Area...

Considerably Shorter Process
It is hoped that the new procedure will streamline and speed up the process of licensing new treatments.

“We are focused on providing UK patients faster access to the absolute best, most cutting-edge, and safest medical treatments,” Dr June Raine, MHRA chief executive, said in an earlier press release. “By fast-tracking access to approved products from other countries, we’re ensuring that innovative healthcare solutions reach those in need without delay.”

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/mhra-new-year-resolution-bringing-new-medicines-uk-patients-2024a1000069

The UK was still in the EU during Covid

The only winners are the Shinners
A belter of an own goal from Britain.
What did the Unionists in NI think was going to happen? It’s barmy.

NI voted Remain.

I think they thought brexit would deliver a hard border across the island between the north and ROI. The DUP always hated the GFA and campagned hard against it.

I also don't think they ever really thought Leave would win. They could campaign on something that was anti GFA, covered in union jacks and talk of being closer to GB and further from ROI politically without any real consequences - except that Leave won and the consequences were very real indeed.

The idiot David Davies is on Prescott and is once again downplaying the damage of Brexit and trying to put a positive spin on it all.

You're right, my mistake...apologies. In that case, they have been completely screwed over. I imagine that will make the case for leaving the UK infinitely stronger then. What's the point of NI sticking to the UK when rUK (except Scotland) has clearly thrown them under the bus?

I expect this will pave the way to a united Ireland in the long run, and I say good luck to them.

Also why isn't this in place already? They knew the temporary routes expired at the end of 2023 as the article states

At the time of the UK’s exit from the European Union, the MHRA introduced temporary routes to market for European-approved products in Great Britain, known as EU reliance routes, to ensure that patients could continue to have timely access to new treatments. These temporary routes expired at the end of 2023.

DuncinToffee
The UK was still in the EU during Covid

Technically we left the EU 31 January 2020, although the first year was a transition year and we were still members of the single market.

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Despite the fact the GFA was now in situ and long since enshrined.
And despite the decline in numbers of Unionists in NI since that fact.

Far be it from me to say hell rub it up them for such arrogance (stupidity?) because that’s not very Christian of me and actually I do have some sympathy. But what a mess.

*DuncinToffee ·
Also why isn't this in place already?
Also why isn't this in place already? They knew the temporary routes expired at the end of 2023 as the article states

Press release

MHRA’s new International Recognition Procedure (IRP) goes live from 1 January 2024.

Too late to edit my post - apologies for duplication.

Always interested to get another view

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It's part way down the article - but mentioned at the top

Retailers warned that new border checks on EU goods entering the UK, which are due to begin from April, could further push up prices.
From January 30 , imports of items including some animal products, plants and plant products, and high-risk food of non-animal origin from the EU will require health certificates, followed by physical inspections of these goods at the UK border from the end of April.

Are you serious? It’s overly simplistic and frankly pathetic and ignorant to only look at the EU’s latest spat with Orban - who has been a problematic leader of Hungary and has been ignoring domestic policy and back-sliding on democratic values for years - and use that as a pro-Brexit argument.

Orban is , anti-gay, anti free-press, pro-Putin leader who has opposed the €50 billion aide package that the EU have proposed to help Ukraine survive the war; without which Putin will walk in and take over. Orban is basically holding all the other EU countries to ransom while Hungary depends on and benefits hugely from EU trade.

Of course this puts EU leaders in a difficult position diplomatically; they feel obliged to protect Ukrainians and at the same time they don’t want to expel Hungary from the EU and expose its people to Putin either. These are the realities of negotiations at this level.

It’s a totally limited and blinkered perspective of The Torygraph to classify the EU’s actions as bullying when Orban has been pushing Hungary to the edge of what is considered acceptable in a modern liberal democracy for years.

cakeorwine
could further push up prices

or might not.