To not want to be sat near loud cackling women

[Ferretmad2]

What is it with groups of loud, cackling women these days? Third time I’ve eaten out recently and next to a table full of shouty, cackling women who seem to be in a contest of who can cackle the loudest. Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a posh place or not. I’m fed up of having to be sat near them whilst waiting for my food. Can’t move as we are in a table of 7. My three autistic children are completely silent! Feel like following my eldest child’s example and getting noise cancelling AirPods.

But the group are dictating the environment for everyone else?

Why can’t everyone just be a bit more considerate?

@BassoContinuo That is assuming that everyone else has a problem with it and not just the individual who does have a problem with it.

When I encounter it I assume it is because the women have all had a couple of glasses of wine and forgotten to moderate their voices as they usually do and don’t care. Of course drunken men are as bad .. worse but they are generally in the street or the pub not sitting in a restaurant. It just happens, they’re starting to get drunk and feeling a bit over excited it is embarrassing but not for them. Both sexes talk really loudly when they are drunk. It’s just life

It's about common courtesy and appropriate behaviour in public. It's incredibly rude and inconsiderate to behave in such a manner, and likely mortifying for the woman's friends too.

Flobbyblob, i know plenty of men who like to dominate group discussions with their long and boring anecdotes

I don't know many people who are a fan of drunken yobbish behaviour.

@AvengedQuince I think the majority of people are aware there is a likelihood when you go into social settings that serve alcohol there may be rowdy groups of people. What one person finds an acceptable noise level could be quite different to someone else. Either way you don't get to dictate on how strangers socialise, unless it is genuine offensive behaviour in which case the staff would get involved anyway.

@AvengedQuince So groups of women laughing loudly is now ' drunken yobbish behaviour'
You really do sound miserable.

Drunken shouting across a table in a restaurant, disturbing fellow diners, would be unacceptable to the vast majority. It's just common decency. People should behave in a decent considerate manner in public, that is not an unreasonable expectation. People complain about children doing far less.

I was talking about a post describing a heavily intoxicated woman shouting across a table in a restaurant, not laughing.

It's about common courtesy and appropriate behaviour in public please don't ever go out into town on a Sat night, you'll die of shock (stay in and watch Call the Cops or something)

@AvengedQuince I'm pretty certain if a diner was being THAT disruptive the staff would have something to say.

@AvengedQuince people going out of an evening have every right to be rowdy and loud. I personally don't always like it, so if I'm not in the mood for that, i stay home. I don't dictate 'normal' behaviour out and about. OP says her children are "completely silent" - that's not expected behaviour in a restaurant, and we can't judge others' behaviour at dinner in restaurants by that standard

No, in my experience, that doesn't happen, they just tend to move other diners if possible. My sibling worked in hospitality, people don't tend to react well to being confronted about their behaviour so they would avoid doing that.

OK you don't understand so let's try again. We have been repeatedly called miserable if we object to listening to other people enjoying themselves.. The fact that the noise bothers us, the shrieking or shouting, doesn't matter, they are enjoying themselves. The young man on the train was a happy drunk giving us all the benefits of his life experience. It was loud, it was boring, it was annoying just like the cackling women. So does that mean I was miserable because I didn't like him enjoying himself? No it means I didn't want to listen to him loudly enjoying himself just like I'd feel about the cackling women.

If you still don't get I'm sorry but maybe you can work it out if you think about it.

If you know nice women are witches I don't know why you think it is an insult but if you do you do. The OP didn't mention witches though did she.

Another comparison could be young children enjoying themselves in a restaurant, shrieking and shouting. Maybe they have sugary fizzy drinks and ice cream rather than wine. Happy, excited and having a great time. We know how most threads about that go.

True - it’s why I like being on holiday in other countries. I can enjoy being out at night.

Kids don't bother me, even if they are watching Peppa Pig which seems to be a crime on some threads. Kids are just kids, we don't have the same expectations of a five year old as we have of a 25 year old, well I don't. I'd much rather listen to happy kids than loud, often foul mouthed, adults.

Same, I struggle with loud high pitched noises but I'd still rather be sat next to a children's birthday party than a large group of drunken adults. MN seems to have higher expectations for children in restaurants than adults.

MN seems to have higher expectations for children in restaurants than adults. I hadn't thought of it like that but you are right. Weird isn't it.

I wonder if all the posters defending loud revellers are loud themselves?

We tend to go out on quieter evenings and go out early and come home early as we dislike loud environments.

Loud groups of women annoy me, too, and I don’t go along with ‘cackling is misogynistic.’ It’s the female equivalent of men ‘guffawing’
My heart sinks when we go for lunch and I see a tableful of loud women nearby. They are often a bit embarrassing, too. I find it tiresome and childish.

Because their loud noise is intrusive.

You’re right. Often you can hear one person talking loudly on a table and the whole place can hear. They’re often boring as well. Empty vessels make most noise…