To not want to be sat near loud cackling women

[Ferretmad2]

What is it with groups of loud, cackling women these days? Third time I’ve eaten out recently and next to a table full of shouty, cackling women who seem to be in a contest of who can cackle the loudest. Doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s a posh place or not. I’m fed up of having to be sat near them whilst waiting for my food. Can’t move as we are in a table of 7. My three autistic children are completely silent! Feel like following my eldest child’s example and getting noise cancelling AirPods.

Braying?

But yeah cackling has worse connotations as it's solely used for women.

It's hard to tell how I would personally feel in this situation. I like to think that other people having fun wouldn't disturb me, but I did leave a quiet pub the other day when a couple of people with really loud voices sat across the room and had the most boring conversation you could imagine at full volume. It was the most irritating thing I've heard in a long time, mainly because it was so inane. So I do get it somewhat even though I was probably BU.

The Op is having a rant against loud "cackling" women. So no need to mention loud shouty males.

😳 Surely men get plenty of bashing on here enough to allow a post about a group of womens annoying behaviour. Or is it only men that can get slated.

Also why take offense at the word "cackling" there's plenty of adjectives that are used purely for men aren't there?

I was just on a flight, in Club class. A big deal for me, something we have saved for for 2 years.

In the seat mext to me was a woman and her husband, but for the whole flight her two friends joined her and they were talking VERY loudly or shouting up the plane to their husbands. They were perched on the seat armrest and foot stool. The staff asked them not to do this and my god they kicked off. Literally saying "I am a silver BA member, I can do what I like".

They ruined the flight for me and probably quite a few others sitting near them. I don't often use the word entitled but in this case they really were. They had absolutely no manners.

Yeah let's all have fun and sod to anyone else in our vicinity. 😡

@Castlerock44 Because cackling is often used for witches. Likening a group of women having fun to wicked witches is harsh to say the least.

If op doesn't want to hear anyone having a good time then perhaps they should try going to a library!

@Fluffywhitecloudsinthesky I also have a friend like this. She's an absolute fishwife and soooo loud. The last time we were out as a group I told her to keep it down a bit and it really upset her as she didn't realise her noise level and felt I was effectively telling her to shut up and not be her authentic self. I felt horrid after. Needless to say, I will never raise it with her again (I can get loud myself after wine) and if people don't like it they can always slink off.

As often happens on MN this thread has become all or nothing, Just because some people aren't loud it doesn't mean they aren't having fun. I have a naturally quiet voice and my laugh is just not loud.

How would you describe this sound?

She isn't objecting to their fun, just their disregard for anyone else.

Spot on @Castlerock44

But we also object to large groups of men with their shouty bawdy behaviour. Is that harsh too?

@Castlerock44 IF you have read any of my previous comments you will see that I object to anyone judging others for having fun. I think it indicates how miserable they must be themselves.

If it's sexist then so too is your comment about those loud men?

I think you can have fun and be aware of your surroundings and loudness.

I’m not fond of anyone being unnecessarily loud in an indoor restaurant barring disabilities or it’s that type of restaurant, but I accept it is a part of being in public and either ignore it, put my earphones in when dining alone, or ask if I could be seated in a quieter area if I notice such a group regardless of size and can’t recall ever being told no by a host.

I’ll admit DH is more sensitive to noise, would find it difficult and dreads when groups are sat next to us or choose to, usually a relatively empty restaurant and will eat faster to leave to get away from the noise.

Can you give some examples of adjectives that are specifically aimed at men and which have a derogatory connotation? I can't think of any apart from Gammon - which is only a few years old and isn't widely used - but plenty for women (witch, hag, slut, old bag, etc etc).

Git, old codger, old buffer, old duffer, oaf, yob, boor, pansy, big girl's blouse, big Jessie, dick, prick, knob, bell-end, all the swear words like wanker, bastard.

(None of these are adjectives but not were your examples)

I judge others for having fun if that has a negative impact on others. Everyone in a venue should be able to enjoy themselves not have it spoilt by self centred people who think the world revolves around them.

You're right. I didn't use adjectives, did I? Can you think of any adjectives used to describe male behaviour. I can't really. And a lot of the examples of names you gave apply equally to women (and gay men for whom, given the history of discrimination, you would expect the existence of derogatory names).

Really, which of my words would apply equally to women? I mean, yeah, you could call a woman a bell-end, but if I say "Sorry I'm late, some bell-end was blocking the corridor", don't you picture a man?

There's plenty of adjectives that would make you think more of a man than a woman, likewise vice versa. I'm not trying to make a point about sexism with this, I'm just saying this seems to be a line that people trot out which I have never been convinced by. It seems a weak argument and doesn't serve your point.

@Sirzy But you don't KNOW that loud people think the world revolves around them. Just more judgement. I have a gobshite friend and she is and always has been loud, it has noting to do with attention seeking. Big groups who are all chatting at the same time and laughing will always sound very loud in comparison to small family groups.

Absolutely loads of derogatory nouns against men. Probably far more than females.

Female what?

Or do only men get to be referred to in human terms?

Female derogatory terms for goodness sake.... stop looking for insults when there aren't any. But I'm sure you understood what I meant. Gosh talk about looking for something to be offended about. 🙁

Its not objecting to the behaviour that most people think is harsh. It's insulting the women by likening them to witches. You can quite easily say a group of women were so loud they spoiled my dinner without drawing that parallel.
As for men, who cares whether someone would or wouldn't use an insulting term if they were being loud? The thread is about women and the objections are about a sexist word to describe women laughing. Not men. What is this obsession with making imaginary unfairness to men front and centre all the time?

Exactly, the thread is about women, so I don't know why people have to compare their behaviour to how bad mens behaviour is. Men get loads of bashing on here so no need to bring them into it on this one. We can surely slate women too.