annoyed woman wont move seats on train

[PrettyPleaseXo]

Currently on the train with my 5 year old. There’s loads of individual seats but none together so I’m stood next to my daughter who’s sat down next to another woman.
AIBU to be a bit annoyed she’s turned her back on my daughter to avoid eye contact and hasn’t moved to another seat so I can sit next to my daughter?

if there were no other seats I’d completely get it but there’s loads of individual ones

It's not difficult to ask either?

Then your telepathic powers have failed you! And you have not managed to discern my travel sickness when not facing forward and looking out of a window. If someone is less able than I am, I always offer a seat, and if I was asked to give up a seat by someone more able, I would politely explain why I needed it. I am a frequent rail and tube traveller and honestly, this sort of stuff is sorted very easily when people talk to each other - the one thing which is missing in all this looking and taking notice and self debasing which you seem to advocate so strongly.

Well I always look around to see whether someone might need my seat more than me (e.g. pregnant, disabled, elderly). Do you not do that?

If I was on my own I’d move to a single seat so a parent could sit with their child, it’s basic good manners but that doesn’t seem to hold much sway in modern society as this thread shows.

Per your link:

"4.1 Tickets are valid ONLY on the date and train service(s) shown on the ticket(s). "

This is the only restriction of validity.

There are always people sitting in seats other than their reserved ones. I have never seen this be a problem. Sometimes particular carriages have particular issues. Your ticket doesn't oblige you to stay there and suffer.

Op left the thread nearly 6 hours ago, pretty sure she’s home by now 👍🏻

Why are you ignoring point 4.2:

4.2 Where applicable, you must travel in the Class and reserved seat(s) shown on the ticket(s).

I've occasionally been asked to show the accompanying reservation to demonstrate I'm sitting in the correct seat. It's possible train managers may overlook this on occasion, if the train is very quiet or if there's an issue in a particular carriage, but if it's a service with reservations, the terms and conditions state you must sit in your reserved seat.

Maybe was worried she would get a mouth full of abuse. Judging by this thread, she would be right.

Right, so now you are moving on to personal questions regarding public transport in general, and assuming some sort of moral authority, whilst also ignoring points put to you.

As it is, there were seats available and OP did not need the other passengers seat more than the other passenger did.

There have been a couple of examples of abuse being received, but on the whole lots of people have said they try to accommodate others, if asked. The issue is expecting others to be mind readers, and also of targeting that one person when there were lots of single occupant seats.

Rubbish. Just because people might think they should be able to continue to sit in the seat they're occupying it doesn't follow that they'd be abusive to other passengers.

I haven’t ignored any points. You’re the one that isn’t answering my question! I wouldn’t let my children sit alone at five years old. No reasonable parent would.

Same. I'd probably have done it before being asked. But if asked I'd do it.
I was offered a seat on the Tube the other day for the first time since I was pregnant 30 years ago. I must be getting old! I declined politely, though it was nice to know it's still a thing.

I was once shouted at because I raised my arm to push my hair out of my eyes on a Tube. Believe me, I don’t approach other passengers after getting such a torrent of abuse.

I’m definitely not the OP. And why does not agreeing with you make me a troll?

No one on the thread has suggested they'd be abusive to other passengers.

I was using it as an example of why I wouldn’t make a request of someone on public transport. You never know how they are going to react.

I'm a man and I would always offer to move so long as I was able to sit in another aisle seat. I am far too tall to be crammed into a window seat.

When I don't volunteer is on my regular Easyjet flight where I specifically pay for an aisle seat close to the front, and there is an expectation that I should move to a centre seat ten rows further back to allow a couple that didn't pre-book their seats to sit together. Sorry. You chose to be cheap so sit in your rubbish seats miles apart.

The only other time was when we got last minute theatre tickets and the only seats left were seats three and four on the back row. Literally the only worse seats in the theatre except for seats one and two, with an obstructed view of the stage. Low and behold the couple who had seats one and two turned up late and then she announced that rather than have to push past everyone who was already seated, they would be willing to give up the seats they'd booked if everybody else could just budge up two places, and they would sit in the centre of the theatre with a great view of the stage. Needless to say I refused to move and found it hilarious as she deliberately knocked into everyone as she pushed past with DH following her in an embarrassed silence. "Don't worry" I said cheerily as she stood on my foot. 😂

What did she say when you asked her is she would move?

She might be on the Edinburgh to Penzance train!

I'd personally just put my 5 year old on me knee (in fact she'd probably choose to sit on my knee even if there were two seats). Mountain out of a molehill here. And very entitled.

You said that judging by this thread she would have got a mouthful of abuse. That simply isn't true. She might have met refusal, but no one on the thread has indicated that they would be abusive.

How very dare she, call the police!

I don't look around- I'm ND, suffer from anxiety & get severely travel sick if I'm not looking out of a window.

I have no desire whatsoever to interact with anyone or people watch in case there's some seatless randomer I can leap to the the rescue of, so I sit at a window seat (unless there isn't one, in that case I stand near the door so I can see out), put on my headphones, look out of the window & don't engage.