To think that very few normal people are going to vote for a rapist. Any Trump supporters here? Can you explain your thinking?

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I don't understand how this man can be a serious candidate. I didn't understand how it happened the first time. Surely normal people are not going to vote for him? But I know he does have supporters so I would love it if any American Trump supporter would be brave enough to come and explain their point of view, as it is totally incomprehensible to many of us...

Please be kind to people with different view points Mumsnet - lets try and hear them

That ^ was to @Ponderingwindow no idea why quote isn’t working

I don't know that Biden's administration has been great for women either.

Speaking of stupid people supporting political parties, and women, look at the congressional hearings they had on men being allowed to compete in women's sports. There were people saying some utterly crazy things, including a lady claiming that Selena Williams could beat most top male tennis players. Watching it, John Kennedy and Ted Cruz came across and bastions of reason.

Most people will never meet Biden or Trump, what they are more concerned with are their policies.

I know who I’d be voting for. Marianne Williamson.

I didn't take your post as a personal attack. More an attack on free speech. An attempt to silence, blame and misrepresent anyone who calls out what's going on with Trump and his Putin funded MAGA cult.

I stand by my post about Trump supporters not giving a shit about women, children or the USA.

Well if Biden gets in will they be in better shape?
Can he spell Ukraine?
Does he know where it is?
Does he know who/where he is?
Can he walk up a flight of stairs?
Answer very possibly no to all of the above.

Trump is a Putin puppet. If he gets in Ukraine will be totally fucked. As will Israel, Europe, human rights, women's rights in the USA and global trade.

Trump likes to think that he's smart but he's more useful, pliant and disposable than Yevgeny Pregozhin was.

This. Under what kind of constitution is it possible for an ex President who has been convicted of multiple offences both while in office and after leaving office,to run again? Why isn’t he barred from doing so?

Well, there are people who are just on the Republican side for various issues, who will always vote for the Republican candidate.

As far as Trump supporters specifically, I think that for many of them, he makes them feel more powerful by associating themselves with him.

I live in the north and in recent years have started to feel a strange vibe when traveling to rural areas. It wasn't like this before. Many men in particular just seem....angry. At the world. And powerless. The Trump signs you see are not just cute bumper stickers, they are gigantic. The cars are gigantic.

Perhaps he makes them feel powerful, like their team finally has a voice, in a world where women don't need them as much anymore, the top jobs in tech are increasingly going to Indian and Chinese professionals, and so on. So where does that leave them, when just 30 years ago they were at the top of the heap, and they came to expect that? Just a theory, take with a grain of salt!

All of that said, I am not a huge fan of Biden, either, and am just hoping everything works out for the best.

That is what Trumpers think in a nutshell - and that is all their single brain cell can manage 😂

This attitude. This. from that poster. This helps get Trump elected.

It’s like that parody of Labour in the last election. ‘You’re thick and racist! Vote Labour!’.

I think there's a factor to it here that is not specific to American trump supporters. The world right now is really scarey. Government is pretty complicated. For a politician to give an honest answer to a politics question it would either be "well I have a team who look at that for me" or have to get into the real life nuances that surround each decision. That would make you sound indecisive and like you don't really know what you're doing though.

What people like Trump are very good at doing is providing a strong soundbite which doesn't actually answer the question but gives an impression that he has a strong position. Even people who don't totally align with that position are just relieved to hear someone talk with some certainty about it!

I think in a large part that's why Brexit happened - Nigel Farage and chums were so much better at strong positional soundbites which gave the impression they had it figured out. Remain were just wishy washy. People went with the strength/commitment, not the actual policies.

Civil case not criminal case. Big difference.

If people really are wondering why there are any Trump voters then I don’t think they’re able to consider what motivates many

A few posts on here sum up why he gets votes

I’m not sure he’ll win though, I did think he would but maybe the numbers are on the edge

I think that poster was using ‘you’ collectively, ie people espousing that attitude you are.

And she right in her conclusion.

I think that poster was using ‘you’ collectively, ie people espousing that attitude you are.

And she right in her conclusion.

Well, having now read the whole thread, it’s pretty easy to see why Trump got voted in last time. Most people don’t co-operate with people against them, and the open contempt for Trump supporters shown on here would surely just solidify not modify the opinion of those thinking of voting for Trump.

Hopefully his apparent criminal activity will put off enough wavering voters, but if it weren’t for this extremity, the attitudes above would surely be helping to power him to possible victory again.

The nationalistic / populist message seems to be winning in many countries, because globalisation hasn’t worked for many people. It brought too much in too much job insecurity for blue-collar workers in the us for example.

I think Trump is an opportunist who is very astute at seeing this and taking advantage to create his power base. The power base is real though, he has huge numbers of supporters who feel angry & marginalised and like government has let them down.

The same happened with Brexit, remainers lost by writing off leavers as stupid and not trying to engage with their concerns.

So agree with @1dayatatime it is only by understanding the fears & motivations of Trump supporters then can someone as utterly corrupt as Trump be stopped. That is unfortunately why Biden (who can take on this role) is the democrats only hope it seems. Unless there is a credible alternative?

Edited because there was one too many nots🙂

If he does win it will be in part as a general swing due to increasing immigration pressures

Politicians who talk about dealing with this will pick up votes

You speak more broadly but it is starting to impact politics

I think this comment is part of the issue.

I'm not American but lived and worked there. I was there on Trump election night and flicked between CNN and Fox, not quite sure what to believe.

In some States/places (particularly where there's a lot of poverty) there can be a feeling they've been forgotten, that the rich white men in the beautiful White House have zero idea of what it's like to live in Michigan or rural wherever. Many have lost everything but it doesn't feel like anyone actually cares.

Mix into that a culture deeply tied into Amendment rights/Christian values etc and well, it was a bush fire just waiting to be lit. Trump was far more strategic in his campaigning too. Despite being a rich white man himself he portrayed himself as 'self made', anti regulation AND he went on the campaign trail to places Clinton did not.

He spoke their language. And the more that people on the Internet branded his supporters 'dim', (see above) the more the movement grew.

In a bizarrely tone deaf move, Clinton doubled down by seeking endorsements from other rich people in Hollywood and Washington...the other 'out of touch' people. The media went massively OTT with its comedy shows and Trump's pretend decapitated head, branding him as 'Hitler'. He is many things but he's not a genocidal maniac who's sending millions to death camps.

I'm not a Trump supporter (I'm not a Biden supporter either!) but I work in strategy so I see how the campaign was cleverly designed and how it created a movement. I can also see the fatal mis-steps of Clinton and now Biden.

I don't know if he will get in again but I can see the same strategy at work.

Trump is at least predictable, if predictably terrible on a personal level. Biden has clearly undergone a serious cognitive decline since he was Obama’s VP, and it frightens me to have him in the Oval Office because of what that signals to the rest of the world.

I can absolutely assure you that the rest of the world is far more terrified of a Trump president than Biden. Trump is massively unpredictable on the world stage , a world stage which is extremely precarious at the moment .

it’s very interesting because actually the US economy under Biden is doing pretty well compared to other industrial nations , inflation is down , under Trump is really wasn’t doing well at all, but the problem is that the US population are generally unaware of and actually don’t care about the rest of the world comparisons so they are unable to contextualise their economy.

He speaks like an Evangelist and hooks them in and they genuinely believe he is like a God.

Think about all these religious cults, set up by men who want to mass rape women and have a hareem. There are so many in the states, think of keep sweet and pray (Netflix) non of the followers seems to worry about underage sex and so on.

He has a way of speaking like Hitler, his voice goes low and fast then raises and slows and it's obviously hypotonic to them.

I should have been more specific. I’m concerned about what it signals to countries that might attack the US. I don’t want a Commander in Chief who struggles to finish coherent sentences.

I don’t want Trump either. But between him and a guy who would probably have to be reminded every three minutes who attacked us, well…

No. Due to the statute of limitations in the case, they were only able to prove 2 of the 3 required conditions for Jean Carroll to pursue Trump with extended statute of limitations. It is a civil case and not a criminal case, so there is no "charge", there is a liability. Trump was found liable for battery and sexual abuse.

It's important to differentiate between Criminal Liability and Civil Liability. Criminal liability is when you commit a crime and you're found guilty or not guilty and then a decision is made whether you repay that crime through imprisonment or a fine if guilty. Civil Liability is where you're responsible for an action / practice that harms someone else and there is a monetary sum awarded to the person who made the claim against you if you are found liable.

If voters are so easily manipulated, there will be Trump shills hard at work on the internet denigrating his voters.

Do Biden voters get on like this or is it only Trumpians who blame others?

Trump is incoherent most days and has been tracked for getting worse . For Heavens Sake !!! Trump doesn’t read and gets most of his info from Fox News ! Most of his cabinet when he was president was either fired or left because of his ineptitude. Some stayed because they feared what he would do . Biden slips up because he has a speech impediment. He has a good team and the USA has improved under his leadership. The economy is improving: see latest statistics. You can’t judge a presidency by tabloid journalism headlines.

“Speech impediment.” 🙄 I watched him all through the Obama administration, and while he frequently said dumb things, they were at least coherent sentences. Acting like this is all because of a speech impediment is like telling people not to believe their lying eyes.

Why you conclude that I’m judging a presidency by tabloid journalism headlines?! God, Biden supporters seem to never fucking learn that you don’t get people to join your side by acting like they’re stupid. And I don’t even like Trump, so if I feel pissed off at you, imagine how people who actually think he’s a good candidate feel.