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To think that very few normal people are going to vote for a rapist. Any Trump supporters here? Can you explain your thinking?

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catagoryA · 27/01/2024 15:18

I don't understand how this man can be a serious candidate. I didn't understand how it happened the first time. Surely normal people are not going to vote for him? But I know he does have supporters so I would love it if any American Trump supporter would be brave enough to come and explain their point of view, as it is totally incomprehensible to many of us...

Please be kind to people with different view points Mumsnet - lets try and hear them

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Hurrydash · 27/01/2024 17:46

Every cloud....

Biden and Trump are such truly awful candidates that they make our two - Starmer and Sunak - look like political heavyweights.

Even though they're both (just) awful too.

At least they haven't plumbed the depths of their US counterparts.

JessicasLavalier · 27/01/2024 17:49

I'm not a US voter so it makes no odds but I would vote for Trump over Biden any day.

There are wars left right and centre. If you are in a war crisis, you definitely don't want the man in charge to be someone with early stage dementia. Trump has many many many MANY flaws but one of his strengths is that he does have the courage of his convictions and takes no prisoners.

Ponderingwindow · 27/01/2024 17:50

We already elected Donald “grab em by the pussy” Trump once.

When he was running the first time, I told my dd he was a joke and she didn’t need to worry about people actually voting for him. I actually told her he knew he had no chance of being elected and it was some sort of publicity stunt. I was very, very wrong.

My entire perception of humanity changed with that election.

Validus · 27/01/2024 17:52

Trump would stop the illegal migration, drill for oil and is volatile enough that he can shake up the economy and be strong against external pressures. People will vote for him. More than you clearly think.

Alwaysgoingforit · 27/01/2024 17:53

I know it's probably about the cost but out of 1000s of Americans who are in politics, are Biden and Trump really the best that voters can vote ?
We've got idiots in our parliament and oppostion in Britain, but ffs, really?🤔

tarheelbaby · 27/01/2024 17:54

@Silverbirchtwo explained it perfectly. That is what Trumpers think in a nutshell - and that is all their single brain cell can manage 😂
They love his swagger, just like voters in this country are cozened by a certain, floppy-haired tory. Oh, and they think he'll win and they want to vote for a winner just like people support a team/side because it wins regularly.

I've heard a few US republicans admit that when Trump ran previously, they abstained but that doesn't keep Trump out of the White House. It takes an actual vote for the democratic candidate and for many of them, as much as they did not like Trump, that was a step too far.

For many Americans, the issues are set in stone by party and the candidates are irrelevant because the party machinery determines how the votes go in Congress and that is what changes or maintains the laws, similar to in the UK. If you vote for your local candidate, you do so because you're expecting that person to represent your issues in Parliament.

US military personnel and hawks will always vote republican (tory) because they support defense spending; if you're serving it pays your salary. 'Business' will vote republican (tory) because that leads to lower taxes and decreased restrictions and erosion of rights for workers. Teachers will vote democratic because tax money supports their field and pays their salaries (similar to NHS workers and teachers in the UK voting anti-tory). If you support women's rights and respect diversity and are pro-choice, you'll vote democratic in the US (anyone who follows US politics will know how republicans vote about abortion).

Personally, I'll be organising an absentee postal vote for myself to support that yellow dog, Biden. Just like I did for that yellow dog, Hilary - another terrible choice to pit against Trump - even though it was futile. See if you can work out which state. Last time, Trump carried my state: the shame! I think Trump is horrible and I support the issues on the democratic 'manifesto' (as Brits would think of it)
I don't understand why the democrats can't find a decent, tall, young-ish (gotta be 40+ to be POTUS) , straight, white man to nominate - a John Kerry/John Edwards type without too much baggage (both of them were no worse than Clinton). With Kamala as his VP, he might have a chance.
Actually, as a lifelong democrat, I do know: the very thing that makes you a democrat means you support diversity and means you are too far up in your ivory tower to line up a simple winner like the ticket above. Instead you run Pete Buttigieg who ticks a lot of the above boxes but is openly gay and married to another man. Most of the US electorate will NEVER vote for anything other than a straight, white man. (I'm very glad Obama won but I have no idea how he pulled that off; maybe they were all secretly voting for Biden, his VP?)
Whereas, greedy republicans will simply run the candidate most likely to win - they're not trying to make a statement; they don't have any principles . They know that the Trumpers will hand them the keys to the White House and sweep many republicans to other offices, giving a republican majority across the country so they can pass shockingly draconian legislation even more easily. [Consider Texas where the state and local republicans have created some of the most repressive legislation in the western hemisphere.]

Also, the senior republicans will (arrogantly) feel like they can manage Trump for their own ends even better now that they've had 4 years' practice. They are all doing deals with each other. Maybe they'll even bring back that Neanderthal Pence - it worked last time because he made the traditional republicans (the old white businessmen) feel safe.

C00k · 27/01/2024 17:55

dapsnotplimsolls · 27/01/2024 16:56

Because he will Save America.

What does this mean?

BigBoysDontCry · 27/01/2024 17:55

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SilverGlitterBaubles · 27/01/2024 18:02

Alwaysgoingforit · 27/01/2024 17:53

I know it's probably about the cost but out of 1000s of Americans who are in politics, are Biden and Trump really the best that voters can vote ?
We've got idiots in our parliament and oppostion in Britain, but ffs, really?🤔

This 💯. How have we got to a point where a country as powerful as America can only field such poor candidates.

ConnieCounter · 27/01/2024 18:02

Biden is currently sponsoring the murder of well over 25,000 people including over 10,000 children. Today he pulled funding for the UN humanitarian effort in Palestine but continues to pay for the bombs that are destroying Gaza and those who live there.

I'd imagine decent people will find it hard to vote for that. If I was an American with a choice of Trump or Biden I'd probably just spoil my vote or go for the independent candidate if there is one, which is essentially spoiling a vote.

tarheelbaby · 27/01/2024 18:20

Ah, yes, Gaza - most Trumpers are not interested in 'furiners' or their problems and lots of them are fundamental Christians so they support 'the Holy Land', currently know to them as Israel. All they know is Hamas' sworn objective to eradicate all Jews. Even as Christians, especially as Christians, they know Jesus and his parents were Jews. Witness common bumper sticker: My boss is Jewish carpenter.

Plus Trumpers, Christian or otherwise, want to ban all imported goods because that is (part of) what they feel is wrong with the US (economy): 'cheap shit from China' as they term it even while they are spending on 'bargains' at WalMart, Target, Trader Joe's, et al.

dapsnotplimsolls · 27/01/2024 18:22

C00k · 27/01/2024 17:55

What does this mean?

I was being sarcastic but millions of Americans think he will save them from the abyss.

Poppysmom22 · 27/01/2024 18:25

politics in the US is experiencing a serious lack of options

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 18:33

TTindigo · 27/01/2024 15:43

People don't care about rape and sexual assault. Unless the victims are men.

I disagree with this.

People don’t care when rape and SA victims are men. Look at Michael Jackson’s victims.

The only time most people give a shit about victims is when the perpetrator is unknown, non-white, poor or fits the perfect rapist profile. And even then too many people cast doubt

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/01/2024 18:34

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Is there any actual objective evidence to support this allegation against Biden? Has it ever gone to a court of law?

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 18:36

Back to the OP - I lived in the USA when Obama was in power. I can’t begin to tell you how many Americans are overtly racist, hate the thought of helping their fellow man, are delighted to have a healthcare system that sees poor people die of cancer and think that their obsession with guns is absolutely nothing g to do with how many gun deaths there are. They don’t give a shit about children - unless it’s a foetus then they will be ready to commit crimes so a woman they don’t know is forced to give birth to the foetus she doesn’t want. But they will also put their right to own a gun above the safety of that foetus once it turns school age.

Look, America is fucked and I don’t really care anymore what they choose to do. They wanna elect a lunatic rapist to be in power? Leave ‘em to it. Not my circus not my monkeys

forcedfun · 27/01/2024 18:40

cheezncrackers · 27/01/2024 16:35

In terms of those who will vote for Trump this November, I think there are three main groups:

  1. The hardcore MAGA-hat wearers, who love Trump for his brashness, his outspokenness and his willingness to call a spade a spade. They will forgive him anything, including rape, because they don't believe he's guilty. They believe him when he says all the criticism of him is a witch hunt. They tend not to be the deepest thinkers or the most highly educated, but they turn up to his rallies in droves. They have American flags in their gardens. He speaks to them and for them and they love him for it. Drill baby drill, and Trump digs Coal are slogans they agree with. They don't want oil from Saudi Arabia, they want American oil and American jobs and they are anti-abortion, often religious and conservative.

  2. Those who look at Trump's policies and prefer them to Biden's/the Democrats. Tough borders, energy independence, low taxes, cheap gasoline, etc. They don't really care who the Republican candidate is, but if s/he is going to deliver on the things they care about, that person will get their vote. Many of them actually despise Trump and think he's a clown, but they care more about the economy and the $ in their pocket than about who is sitting in the White House. Some of these people are dyed-in-the-wool Republican voters and would never vote Democrat, because the policies of Democrats don't align with their own values.

  3. Independents who've watched what has happened over the past four years with Biden and who think things under Trump were better. One example: about 30,000 illegal migrants arrived in the UK via small boats last year, it is estimated that 2.5 million crossed the southern US border with Mexico. Trump stopped that flow of people. A lot of Americans feel that Trump's policy was better. They may not like him, in fact they may despise him, but they see Biden as weak, doddery and bad for America.

Yes, my v bright, successful, highly educated and cosmopolitan uncle told me he voted trump "reluctant" because of the taxation. I think his children all stopped speaking to him for a bit when they found out! Incredibly he's actually an immigrant and ethnic minority in the US, but keeping hold of his millions was such a top priority for him that.all else faded into insignificance.

Newsenmum · 27/01/2024 18:45

The people I (used to) follow on social media who support him are ‘crunchy mums’ who basically don’t believe all the ‘conspiracy’ against him and believe in Kanon and protecting kids, all of that. Also they just have to believe in one of his policies to vote him in - as they are so strongly opposed basically anything democrat.

1dayatatime · 27/01/2024 18:46

@Desecratedcoconut

"Well, I am neither American nor a Trump supporter but my stab in the dark is that both sides of the debate are completely polarized and we have lost any language of compromise and nuance, preferring instead to vilify and hunker down with our political tribes. And that seeds mistrust, in each other and institutions."

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This is basically it. We can see it on topics such as Brexit, Israel/ Gaza, Just stop oil, migration etc

There is a polarisation of views, "I'm right and you are wrong" with no ability or willingness to listen to the other point of view. Instead I will just shout louder, become more angry and accuse you of being racist , sexist, homophobic, fascist, Nazi or simply stupid.

Any facts you use to back up your point of view (such as in the case of Trump being convicted in a court of law) are dismissed as fake, false, "well they would say that wouldn't they". Add in a healthy dollop of whataboutery, internet links backing up your point of view, outright lies and conspiracy theories.

Sadly this makes any rational debate or compromise or middle ground or national cohesion impossible.

Newsenmum · 27/01/2024 18:47

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 18:36

Back to the OP - I lived in the USA when Obama was in power. I can’t begin to tell you how many Americans are overtly racist, hate the thought of helping their fellow man, are delighted to have a healthcare system that sees poor people die of cancer and think that their obsession with guns is absolutely nothing g to do with how many gun deaths there are. They don’t give a shit about children - unless it’s a foetus then they will be ready to commit crimes so a woman they don’t know is forced to give birth to the foetus she doesn’t want. But they will also put their right to own a gun above the safety of that foetus once it turns school age.

Look, America is fucked and I don’t really care anymore what they choose to do. They wanna elect a lunatic rapist to be in power? Leave ‘em to it. Not my circus not my monkeys

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A little harsh to all the people who don’t want trump and are going to suffer because of him?

tarheelbaby · 27/01/2024 18:57

@KarenNotAKaren is giving good intel from the US for those of you who are asking why Trump might win again. He is their candidate. The candidate of 'me, myself and I'.
Being a 'liberal' whether you call that Labour or LibDem or democrat requires a minimal level of altruism. Sadly, most humans are not capable of that infinitesimal increment of empathy. They cannot comprehend that a tiny investment (pence v. the pound) on their part will make all residents' lives better on a small scale and their own lives better on a larger scale. This is why 'liberals' in all countries are in the minority.

mynameiscalypso · 27/01/2024 19:05

I was, and continue to be, surprised at the number of "reasonable" people I know he voted Trump - management consultants, bankers, lawyers in New York/Boston. They like his approach to taxation and deregulation and were happy to overlook everything else.

bombastix · 27/01/2024 19:16

Tbh I think it's more about whether people actually care about rape and sexual assault. The older I get the more I think that a large proportion of people do not care. They don't believe it will ever happen to them so it's irrelevant. They blame the victims unless there is some other factor that they can relate to, which makes the victim human. Never mind Trump. Look at the conviction rate in the UK. As a society we barely care. There are some passionate people who do and make the effort. But many simply don't care about it, men and women. If we did, conviction rates and the resources available would look very different here and in the US. It's not even political, imo.

Gia79 · 27/01/2024 19:18

God knows but when I wonder this my mind always wanders back to some of Louis Theroux’ old docs in the States about cults, extreme right wing religious groups etc etc then I go “Ah yes.”

Greenpolkadot · 27/01/2024 19:22

mynameiscalypso · 27/01/2024 19:05

I was, and continue to be, surprised at the number of "reasonable" people I know he voted Trump - management consultants, bankers, lawyers in New York/Boston. They like his approach to taxation and deregulation and were happy to overlook everything else.

I have to agree..many of these voters seem normal people....so what attracts them to giant satsuma ?
Over this side of the pond I haven't met a human being who hasn't laughed at the antics of Trump..The bloke has brainwashed himself and thousands of Americans .into thinking that he's the victim of a witch hunt.
I still can't forget how rude he was to HRH on his state visit