To think that very few normal people are going to vote for a rapist. Any Trump supporters here? Can you explain your thinking?

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I don't understand how this man can be a serious candidate. I didn't understand how it happened the first time. Surely normal people are not going to vote for him? But I know he does have supporters so I would love it if any American Trump supporter would be brave enough to come and explain their point of view, as it is totally incomprehensible to many of us...

Please be kind to people with different view points Mumsnet - lets try and hear them

He actually didn't deliver good results last time, his record was atrocious. His approval rating when he left office was around 34%, which is abysmal.

He very badly mismanaged the covid pandemic with dangerous rhetoric, tried to discredit Dr Fauci, continued to spread lies and misinformation about the virus which leads to thousands of unnecessary deaths.

He openly praised dictatorships such as Russia and North Korea.

Have a read of this to refresh your memory on how bad he was!

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-failed-presidency/

Again, that is just meaningless wording from a civil court.
The fat is that the jury was asked for a yes/no on the count of rape, and they said no. Ergo, he has not been convicted (even in a civil sense) of rape.

Simply put, I looked into the details of the case at the time and it seemed like utter horseshit, and I think that woman is a chancer.

The fact that 9 New Yorkers decided he was like totally definitely guilty of something means nothing to me; not least because the burden of proof on a civil court is so low it's irrelevant.

That's because she's a complete twit. All the things they said about Liz Truss not being bright enough to be PM, KH is that x 10.

And it does make a difference with Biden being so old, people are thinking that she could realistically end up as president if he dies.

But I would also say, you can't understand Trump voters without understanding the left in the US, and how they are perceived by Americans. They see them as completely out of touch with reality, spouting dangerous ideologies, despising the working classes, as hating their own country, as authoritarian, and worse.

But presumably "the left in the US" are Americans?

And not exactly a tiny minority of Americans.

Biden received the largest number of votes in any US presidential election ever.

OK, some of those voters will have been centrist or right-wingers who just couldn't face more of Trump, but a goodly proportion will have been leftist by US standards (the US being generally more right-wing than the UK).

Perhaps the cited post was just poorly worded, but it comes across like the poster is out of touch.

I'll be certain to put loads of stock in a commentary article written by a member of the DNC...

I disagree with your allegations.
Feel free to give me some specifics and I'll look into them.

Also to add, it's very very unlikely that Trump won't be convicted on any of the 91 felony charges he is facing. Jack Smith is an excellent prosecutor and the walls are rapidly closing in on Trump, with an ever decreasing legal team supporting him. Competent high calibre lawyers won't touch him with a barge pole now, so to be fair to Trump his legal support is shockingly bad.

He will lose the presidential immunity appeal and the criminal prosecution will continue on. Suspect the Jan 6 DC criminal trial will start in June with a conviction by Sep/Oct. Unless of course SCOTUS refuse to take the presidential immunity appeal, then it could start sooner.

He has the 14th Amendment appeal as well in progress which will determine if an insurrectionist can actually be on the ballot. That will be an interesting one for SCOTUS to determine. The question submitted on appeal was particularly vague so could go either way.

Also, there are potentially other fraud trials pending against him (the Trump MLM scam, further sexual abuse cases that are being brought).

The Georgia RICO trial is waiting in the wings, along with the other case Jack Smith is bringing against him for the secret documents in Mar-a-Lago.

Good news is he seems to like orange 😆

@DanaBarrettsKitchen sorry to sidetrack a bit but I didn't realise there was a trump MLM scandal too? (I loathe MLMs!).... Gosh so many different abhorrent behaviours, any one of which should have been enough to rule him out as a candidate let alone a serious runner

Well Trevor Noah's whole thing is comedy and making fun of stupid people, so that's what he's going to show.

There are reams of Youtube videos about stupid Democrat voters as well, some obviously picking the biggest idiots on purpose for comedy, idiots, but then you can watch something like Peter Boghossian's street interviews which aren't like that and you can see some pretty idiotic Democrat voters (and Republican ones as well for that matter.) You can also find some of Democrats being extremely unpleasant to people with different political views.

I'm not sure how representative any of it is.

Most Americans are fairly centrist, a lot are very politically disenfranchised, and many think anything related to the political system is bound to be corrupt. Many of them don't vote at all.They have very little respect for people in politics, and especially career politicians. (Both Obama and Trump gained by being seen as political outsiders.)

The floating voters are the ones who win and lose elections.

And at the moment, while they might not like Trump, or even be very committed to Republican ideas, what they see on the left just looks increasingly batshit.

It's only just coming close to getting to trial. They're trying to work out in which court the class action suit will be held.

There's so many cases pending against Trump its hard to keep track of just how many legal problems this guy has!

Many of them don't vote at all.

Yes, that's why the Biden victory was a record one. The threat of another Trump presidency brought Americans to the polling station who didn't usually vote.

They're the same sort of people who voted for Brexit because "It's what God wants".

in general people will vote for someone they dislike or even hate personally but they agree with the parties politics in general
in general people do not vote for people / parties that they believe dislike them or even hate them
if you denigrate any group as stupid ( even if they are) over and over and appear to mean it they will not vote for you

I'm an American and can't believe anyone voting for him rapist or not. He is vile and crazy but my other choice is a man who is in such mental decline that I will have to vote a third party in if there is one like the past two elections. I don't like Nikki Haley but she definitely would be my choice. As a country we are screwed.

He's a sex offender, liar, fraud and violent bully.

His voters are similar, that's why they vote for him. They don't give a fuck about women, they don't give a fuck about children, they don't give a fuck about the USA.

Do you live in the US?

Back when Kamala Harris was running for president in 2020, she was very unpopular among primary voters. It’s not that people dislike her for being a black woman; they dislike her because being a black woman is literally why she got the VP job. Biden announced months ahead of time that whoever he picked for a running mate would be a black woman.

@TooBigForMyBoots

"He's a sex offender, liar, fraud and violent bully.

His voters are similar, that's why they vote for him. They don't give a fuck about women, they don't give a fuck about children, they don't give a fuck about the USA."

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Describing and dismissing Trump voters in this way is unlikely to get them to change their views. Instead it will simply entrench and polarise views that much more, increasing his popularity and ensuring that the election of Trump is that much more likely.

If you took the time to listen to, understand, possibly sympathise and address the ordinary voters concerns rather than simply shout them down as racists, sexists, homophobic, fascists, transphobic Nazis etc then you might have a chance of getting someone less extreme than Trump in power.

But if you base your counter argument on just trying to shout louder and hurling insults then you will get Trump and you will be partly to blame.

He won't stop illegal migration.
He will drill for oil.
He is volatile and a puppet of Putin.

Stop accusing me of calling people things that I didn't. Such Trumpian lies and insinuations will make you partly to blame by giving credence to their bullshit claims of "victimisation"🙄.

I know that I have zero influence over Trump voters, so away with your misrepresentations and attempts to blame me. If Trump wins, it will be because of Trump, Putin and those stupid enough to fall for shit or spread their shit. Fuck all to do with me.🤷‍♀️

@TooBigForMyBoots

Sorry I meant to use the word "you" in a wider context and not directed at you personally- I should have used the word "one".

My apologies, i can fully see how this came across as a personal attack and it was genuinely not my intention to do so.

If they are stupid enough to vote for Biden OR Trump to run their country they get what they deserve.

"Her word against his, no witnesses, it's a witch hunt" would be how they'd justify ignoring the rape. God knows how Biden backers can justify running him.

I know I can’t fathom how so many people voted for him.. You are talking about Biden after he raped Tara Reade yeah?

Yeah, this is a lesson that left parties seem to miss, and I am not sure how. I think even if a person is somewhat sympathetic to the ideas being espoused by a party or political figure, if that figure makes it clear that they despise that person or their group, they will never gain their vote.

And it's a long lasting antipathy too. Very personal.

I could have typed your post word for word. I cried when he was elected, I couldn’t believe people hated women so much that he could be elected. Changed how I viewed the world.