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To think that very few normal people are going to vote for a rapist. Any Trump supporters here? Can you explain your thinking?

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catagoryA · 27/01/2024 15:18

I don't understand how this man can be a serious candidate. I didn't understand how it happened the first time. Surely normal people are not going to vote for him? But I know he does have supporters so I would love it if any American Trump supporter would be brave enough to come and explain their point of view, as it is totally incomprehensible to many of us...

Please be kind to people with different view points Mumsnet - lets try and hear them

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couiza · 27/01/2024 19:25

The usual states will stay red, the usual states will stay blue. The swing states are the ones to watch. They usually decide the outcome. So nothing in the traditional Dems or Republican states will change really so....

I have spent a bit of time during each Presidential election year studying the way the electoral college works. I am not ashamed to say that it baffles me, even though I know why the Founding Fathers introduced it. The whole election circus seems to be overly complicated to me.

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:25

Newsenmum · 27/01/2024 18:47

A little harsh to all the people who don’t want trump and are going to suffer because of him?

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Meh. I can only dish out so much sympathy and given I have no power to change what’s happening in the US (and if I DID have power it would be spent on a cause that benefits me) I barely care. People in the UK make the mistake of thinking USAians are like us and that the same things horrify them as they do us. That’s not the case at all. Their culture is one of self-interest and all my time there I never met an USAian who voted with anyone other than themsleves in mind.

BigBoysDontCry · 27/01/2024 19:32

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/01/2024 18:34

Is there any actual objective evidence to support this allegation against Biden? Has it ever gone to a court of law?

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More evidence than there is for trump being a rapist but that seems to be allowed. This place does my head in.

I think trump is a wanker but when the choice is between those two I'd have to vote for him.

I certainly would trust him alone with my children before I'd trust Biden and the arseholes using him as a front man.

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:32

tarheelbaby · 27/01/2024 18:57

@KarenNotAKaren is giving good intel from the US for those of you who are asking why Trump might win again. He is their candidate. The candidate of 'me, myself and I'.
Being a 'liberal' whether you call that Labour or LibDem or democrat requires a minimal level of altruism. Sadly, most humans are not capable of that infinitesimal increment of empathy. They cannot comprehend that a tiny investment (pence v. the pound) on their part will make all residents' lives better on a small scale and their own lives better on a larger scale. This is why 'liberals' in all countries are in the minority.

I agree that Trump is the candidate of “me myself and I”. Spot on.

When I lived in the US - and bear in mind I didn’t even live on the v right wing Bible Belt - I did raise the subject of things like maternity leave (which is not a legal entitlement in the USA beyond IIRC 2 weeks) and a social healthcare system (you would not believe the stories I heard about people having their homes repossessed because they got cancer and struggled to pay for meds, even with very good insurance). So many people’s bottom line was “Why should my tax dollars go to helping other people. It’s not MY decision for them to have a baby or be ill”.

This from the mouths of otherwise smart and good hearted people. They thought I was brainwashed because I was happy coming from a country where I may put in more than I take out. It blew their minds, and rather than pay 5% national insurance (someone told me very adamantly everyone in the UK is taxed 50%, this is a true belief) they’d rather live in a country where poor people just die. Their little 5% of their wage means THAT much to them. This is their culture and I’m afraid I have little sympathy.

I also went over thinking Obama was the world’s most popular man, but he’d been in office for some years by this point and was in his second term and most people I met hated him. That really surprised me

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:33

BigBoysDontCry · 27/01/2024 19:32

More evidence than there is for trump being a rapist but that seems to be allowed. This place does my head in.

I think trump is a wanker but when the choice is between those two I'd have to vote for him.

I certainly would trust him alone with my children before I'd trust Biden and the arseholes using him as a front man.

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Well there isn’t because no one has ruled this against Biden in court.

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:34

I certainly would trust him alone with my children before I'd trust Biden and the arseholes using him as a front man.

An actual rapist who boasts that instead of taking to attractive women he sexually assaults them instead?

Fuck me I hope you don’t have daughters

YankSplaining · 27/01/2024 19:34

cheezncrackers · 27/01/2024 16:35

In terms of those who will vote for Trump this November, I think there are three main groups:

  1. The hardcore MAGA-hat wearers, who love Trump for his brashness, his outspokenness and his willingness to call a spade a spade. They will forgive him anything, including rape, because they don't believe he's guilty. They believe him when he says all the criticism of him is a witch hunt. They tend not to be the deepest thinkers or the most highly educated, but they turn up to his rallies in droves. They have American flags in their gardens. He speaks to them and for them and they love him for it. Drill baby drill, and Trump digs Coal are slogans they agree with. They don't want oil from Saudi Arabia, they want American oil and American jobs and they are anti-abortion, often religious and conservative.

  2. Those who look at Trump's policies and prefer them to Biden's/the Democrats. Tough borders, energy independence, low taxes, cheap gasoline, etc. They don't really care who the Republican candidate is, but if s/he is going to deliver on the things they care about, that person will get their vote. Many of them actually despise Trump and think he's a clown, but they care more about the economy and the $ in their pocket than about who is sitting in the White House. Some of these people are dyed-in-the-wool Republican voters and would never vote Democrat, because the policies of Democrats don't align with their own values.

  3. Independents who've watched what has happened over the past four years with Biden and who think things under Trump were better. One example: about 30,000 illegal migrants arrived in the UK via small boats last year, it is estimated that 2.5 million crossed the southern US border with Mexico. Trump stopped that flow of people. A lot of Americans feel that Trump's policy was better. They may not like him, in fact they may despise him, but they see Biden as weak, doddery and bad for America.

This is a fairly accurate take on the situation, although I think there’s overlap between the groups.

This whole election is awful. I don’t want anyone who’s running to be president. But I’m voting for Trump for most of the reasons listed under #2 and #3.

Trump is at least predictable, if predictably terrible on a personal level. Biden has clearly undergone a serious cognitive decline since he was Obama’s VP, and it frightens me to have him in the Oval Office because of what that signals to the rest of the world.

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:34

I mean Trump LITERALLY boasts about sexually assaulting women and passes it off as “huh-huh guy talk, what can you do” and people defend him.

BarelyLiterate · 27/01/2024 19:35

They don’t believe Trump is a rapist. Or a fraudster. Or an insurrectionist. It’s all ‘fake news’ ; a witch-hunt orchestrated by the ‘deep state’ & mainstream media who are out to get him by any means possible. After all, this is what Fox News tells them, all day every day, so it must be true. 🙄

menopausalmare · 27/01/2024 19:36

Having listened to an LBC debate on Trump the other day, there are a lot of broke, desperate, angry people in the US who have had enough of Biden. If you're cold and hungry with few prospects, you can't afford to vote with principles so Trump is the preferred candidate in some states.

BigBoysDontCry · 27/01/2024 19:37

You do realise that it's never going to end up in a court as it's all suppressed? Anyway I'm done. Support Biden all you want but he's as despicable as trump with added unpleasantness. At least pick with your eyes open.

I'm guessing the vast majority on here don't have a vote anyway.

Fluffypuppy1 · 27/01/2024 19:38

SilverGlitterBaubles · 27/01/2024 18:02

This 💯. How have we got to a point where a country as powerful as America can only field such poor candidates.

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I agree. A population of around 334,000 and the only choices are Trump or Biden?

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:39

BarelyLiterate · 27/01/2024 19:35

They don’t believe Trump is a rapist. Or a fraudster. Or an insurrectionist. It’s all ‘fake news’ ; a witch-hunt orchestrated by the ‘deep state’ & mainstream media who are out to get him by any means possible. After all, this is what Fox News tells them, all day every day, so it must be true. 🙄

Yep!

They also think he’s the victim of a cover-up lefty media who lie about him being a rapist because they’re just jealous meanies.

HRTQueen · 27/01/2024 19:40

Not all those that will vote for him like him as a person

but they think he will be the better president and more importantly they think their lives will improve financially, better services, harder on crime etc

Many normal people did and will again vote for Trump not al scream from the roof tops on support for him

it’d this sort of language that really really backfired on Hilary Clinton I hope the democrats do not make the same mistake again

and the more he has thrown at him the stronger his support becomes because it’s being turned into a them and us by his team

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:41

menopausalmare · 27/01/2024 19:36

Having listened to an LBC debate on Trump the other day, there are a lot of broke, desperate, angry people in the US who have had enough of Biden. If you're cold and hungry with few prospects, you can't afford to vote with principles so Trump is the preferred candidate in some states.

Poverty has actually dropped since Biden has been in power by 3% so I imagine that’s true but even fewer people than before are angry

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:42

BigBoysDontCry · 27/01/2024 19:37

You do realise that it's never going to end up in a court as it's all suppressed? Anyway I'm done. Support Biden all you want but he's as despicable as trump with added unpleasantness. At least pick with your eyes open.

I'm guessing the vast majority on here don't have a vote anyway.

So because Biden had a few dodgy videos out of being handsy with little girls (NOT ok) that pardons Trump from being a rapist? Have I got that right?

PerkingFaintly · 27/01/2024 19:42

How do the Trump-supporters on this thread feel about his part in the 6th January attack on the Capitol?

Is there a lot of denial about that?

Because it wasn't just some random riot, it was a very specific attempt to prevent the turnover from one president to another.

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 19:43

PerkingFaintly · 27/01/2024 19:42

How do the Trump-supporters on this thread feel about his part in the 6th January attack on the Capitol?

Is there a lot of denial about that?

Because it wasn't just some random riot, it was a very specific attempt to prevent the turnover from one president to another.

They think that a revolution was starting. It would be amusing if it wasn’t so terrifying

Confrontayshunme · 27/01/2024 19:44

I can explain. My DM hates Trump as a person, but he delivered on harsher criminal punishment, two Conservative Supreme Court judges, and overturned Roe v Wade and the Paris Climate agreement. She believes that by voting for him, she is personally saving the lives of millions of babies who would otherwise be dead.It isn't logical, but millions of people truly believe that no matter what he does personally, he is the better choice of President.

YankSplaining · 27/01/2024 19:49

Another thing: a lot of people who remember the late ‘90s think it’s a bit rich for the Democrats to start wringing their hands about “supporting a rapist.” Bill Clinton has some very credible rape and sexual assault allegations against him, but the Democrats back then made excuses because they liked his policies. So if Republicans now want to make excuses for Trump because they like his policies, they figure, “Who the hell do the Democrats think they are to judge us for that?!”

Throwawayme · 27/01/2024 19:57

Honestly, I do think he'll be voted back in, because Biden doesn't even seem well enough to be in office. The democrats need better candidates.

BarelyLiterate · 27/01/2024 20:02

Throwawayme · 27/01/2024 19:57

Honestly, I do think he'll be voted back in, because Biden doesn't even seem well enough to be in office. The democrats need better candidates.

I agree completely. If the Democrats do lose to Trump in November, they have only themselves to blame. Picking a candidate who isn’t visibly physically frail & obviously senile would have been a better strategy…

KarenNotAKaren · 27/01/2024 20:05

Yes of all the politicians in the USA we have a rapist and a man who is so old he can barely take two steps without going arse over tit. He’s 81 FGS.

CormorantStrikesBack · 27/01/2024 20:09

Didn’t Russia want Trump in last time and there were rumours that when he was voted in there had been a lot of Russian bots manipulating social media? Maybe that’s happening again. What’s Trump’s stand on Ukraine? Might he stop providing military support?

Whitefoxnight · 27/01/2024 20:10

I don’t think the answer as to why people vote for Trump can be found in Trump.

I think there must be a significant contingent of the American population who feel alienated or mocked or ‘left behind’ or disenfranchised.

When someone like Trump can get significant, winning or potentially winning, votes then you need to look out with the man to look at what is going on, going wrong in American society, that this can happen.

And calling people voting for him ‘deplorables’ is not the answer.