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The dad privilege checklist

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Iis · 26/01/2024 20:35

I saw this linked to on a Reddit thread and I see so many similar threads here I thought I’d share it. Many people advise to share with their husbands the blog post ‘my husband left his glass next to the dishwasher’ or something like this, but this may help as well.

If you don’t want to click an unknown link just google the dad privilege check list Zawn Villines.

https://zawn.substack.com/p/the-dad-privilege-checklist

The Dad Privilege Checklist

There are so many things that dads never have to think about, and never have to feel guilty for not considering.

https://zawn.substack.com/p/the-dad-privilege-checklist

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Drosera · 29/01/2024 20:39

mathanxiety · 27/01/2024 22:57

Women are more likely to attempt suicide and also more likely to be diagnosed with depression.

Men are more successful when attempting suicide. The means they choose are often more likely to end in death. In the US, they are more likely to use firearms.

It is not women's fault that men hesitate to go to a doctor to address depression - they have set up the toxic machismo that has trapped them, and the binary in which all things feminine are considered weak while all things masculine are considered strong and valuable (including steering clear of doctors of all stripes).

But to play devil's advocate, we as a society elevate 'strong' men and it's consistently proven that we're attracted to assertive men. So it's hardly surprising men try to keep up the facade.

I'm aware of the 'women attempt suicide more' statistic and I'm never sure how to take it. With domestic violence we tend to look at the number of deaths (severity is prioritised) and this is used to determine that women are more severely affected. The fact that women are more likely to lash out and comprise 70% of perpetrators of one sided violence in quite a few studies isn't really seen as significant as the men aren't dying, presumably because an attack from a woman is much less likely to kill than the reverse.

But when it comes to male suicide it's less about the number of deaths and instead intent/attempts to harm seem to be regarded as equally significant.

I feel there's a bit of disparity going on and I wonder if the stereotype of seeing women as more vulnerable is a factor - ironically something that probably contributes to men receiving less empathy and being less likely to want to admit they're struggling.

Drosera · 29/01/2024 21:03

I feel like there's not usually very much nuance around the topic and both 'sides' (feminist/men's advocates) mostly seem to have the same old canned answers.

It always seems to go:

-100 women are murdered each year!
-Yeah, but nearly as many men kill themselves every month!
-Yeah, but women attempt it more.
-Yeah, but that's often a cry for help. White working class men are bottom of the pile, no surprise they kill themselves!
-Oh please! Patriarchy, CEOs, Bill Gates, blah blah blah.
-How dare you! 85% of homeless people are men!
-That's because the streets are too dangerous for women. Only men have a chance of survival.
-Oh, but men are 4x more likely to be attacked by a stranger.
-Oh, but who's attacking them? It's not us women!
-Is that victim blaming I hear? Is a gay/black/etc male responsible for a hate crime directed at him by another male? There are other demographics and distinctions between solely male/female, you know. Religion and ethnicity drive far more atrocities.

And round it goes ad infinitum....

Some of the stats are interesting but what puts me off all these 'isms' is that so many of them have just become almost soundbites and people playing top trumps with canned arguments. I feel like people sort of get forced down these set thought paths and start to lose the ability to think for themselves or consider ideas that challenge the accepted group narrative.

But that's just my opinion....

Escapaid · 29/01/2024 21:38

Sorry to come over all "Not my Nigel", but... not my Nigel. Reading that list made me appreciate him all the more.

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