Ready yourself for the Citizen's Army

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Is the head of the army being sensationalist to highlight lack of army funding or is the reality of a citizen's army in the UK a step towards a new era of conscription? Both parties would play anything like this down in an election year.

Are you wishing for war so “entitled” can learn their lesson?

Bizarre.

Ok calm down let it go.

Not wishing for it at all.
Just saying what i think like everyone else.

There is a big difference here though.

The Ukrainians are fighting an invader on their home soil.

Defending your home on your home soil is different than fighting a war in the Baltic, for example

I’m sure being sent to war by the same government that told its people to eat egg on toast and put tinfoil on your windows to keep in heat whilst sending billions to Ukraine would really drum up that patriotic spirit

@spicedlemonpie you've demonstrated your ignorance quite openly on this thread. I suggest you have a look at some of the footage from Gaza and Ukraine and see whether you think this is the kind of thing that will sort out "entitled" people. As for suggesting that TikTok and SM won't be involved, you are so far off the mark, these things are very much part of the battlefield.
If you want to create a generation of brutalised young people with PTSD who never want to talk about their experiences, just crack on. That was the reality for many many veterans of WW1 and 2.
If a Russian invasion truly is a threat to our home nations we're going to find out we just don't have a large enough population to fight them and it would come down to guerilla warfare- Molotov cocktails and drones for example.
But since they are quite happy to talk about using tactical nuclear weapons worrying about conscription is a bit pointless.

Both my children are in the army thank you i feel you are upset are you okay.

I think it’s the government that needs to learn its lesson.
Funding wars all over the world and getting involved in conflict we have no business in.
Then demanding the young people who’ve been shit on, destined to own absolutely piss all, traumatise and/or injure themselves for a country that has absolutely no resources to help them should they become injured or mentally traumatised.

Dotjones · Today 10:59

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 10:54

Most young people wouldn’t comply with conscription now. Rightly so.

I wonder if they'd comply with orders from an occupying force and the choice is do as they're told or death.”

Entirely different to what’s being proposed, “just in case” and rather dramatic. Who is this occupying force?
If the country were at threat of invasion, people would volunteer as they have in prior home conflicts. Until then, forcing young people into training is a ridiculous idea. They’ve enough on their plates already.

This is all to do with the hierarchy of the armed for ea. very publicly trying to boost defence spending, which like all things has been cut to the bone.

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 11:24

Dotjones · Today 10:59

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 10:54

Most young people wouldn’t comply with conscription now. Rightly so.
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I wonder if they'd comply with orders from an occupying force and the choice is do as they're told or death.”

Entirely different to what’s being proposed, “just in case” and rather dramatic. Who is this occupying force?
If the country were at threat of invasion, people would volunteer as they have in prior home conflicts. Until then, forcing young people into training is a ridiculous idea. They’ve enough on their plates already.

This is all to do with the hierarchy of the armed for ea. very publicly trying to boost defence spending, which like all things has been cut to the bone.

Yes @spicedlemonpie I'm perfectly ok. I just have a problem with your idea that the armed forces can sort everyone out and a war is a great idea.
If both your kids are in the army then you'll know just how underfunded and understaffed it is.
I hope they never see active service in Europe. And I hope when they get out of the army they settle back into society easily.

VeniVidiWeeWee · Today 00:07
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Livinginanotherworld · Yesterday 23:55
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100% this. Perfectly put.
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So you'd be happy to live under a Nazi state?
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My dad fought in WW2. He drove armoured bulldozers. Had to dig the pits to bury the dead in the extermination camps.
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And yes, he didn't fight for his country but for his mates who stood next to him facing the incoming.
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But he knew that the Nazi were not good people. Which is why he volunteered, despite being in a reserved occupation.”

My grandfather fought and was gassed at the Somme. Her survived, thank providence and went on to serve as I firewarden during the blitz on London.

He would turn in his grave at the prospect of his great-grandchildren having to do the same. He fought so this would all stop because that’s what he was told.

Yes it’s an awful prospect

I don’t think dictators such as Putin are remembering this when they send thousands of young men to fight and Ukraine respond or roll over to what he wants

NATO is a defence pact so it’s only if someone else attacks first

@Dotjones

"I wonder if they'd comply with orders from an occupying force and the choice is do as they're told or death."

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Well if the choice was between for example joining in or staying silent on the persecution of say gay people or the clampdown of freedom of speech OR imprisonment then yes I do think (and history has shown) that the majority would comply and go with the former.

As for "zombie knives" and the ability to use them - I don't think they would be that effective against cruise missiles or tanks.😀

I don't think it's 6, but it might be up to 30 years after you joined. They have it on the paperwork when they get out.

Surprised by how many people don't want to fight for their country. If we're at the point of being invaded and haven't managed to flee it doesn't seem all that optional.

It's been taken out of context. In a 'general war' situation which means something akin to WW2 then you will inevitably end up with conscription.

I'm a veteran so would expect in a general war situation to be one of the first called back. Don't forget it's not all for cannon fodder. During the Iraq War, so we could send professionals to theatre, we called up reservists and then also used agency staff to work in home units to continue activities such as warehousing etc, so it's highly likely that any initial conscription is to conduct those kind of roles and not run screaming at the enemy with a bayonet (which, incidentally I have never done)

TheSeasonalNameChange

Surprised by how many people don't want to fight for their country. If we're at the point of being invaded and haven't managed to flee it doesn't seem all that optional.”

I think they would. It’s the idea of being conscripted and being sent off somewhere, far from home where it’s difficult to see what it has to do with their country that most would balk at.

Delightful. I do hope there will be a smart uniform. Brown shirts? Or Black?

I wouldn’t feel proud to fight for my country. Given how corrupt our government are and the contempt they showed for ordinary people during Covid, I would feel like an absolute mug. If our politicians were prepared to lead from the front, that would be different, but they clearly believe that the rules don’t apply to them.

At least Zelensky declined offers to be evacuated from Ukraine as the Russian advanced, despite knowing that he was Russia’s no. 1 target and several hit squads had been sent to find him.

Out of interest what would your preferred outcome be if Russia / Iran etc did invade?

Would it be go with it and say ok

Zelenskys too busy going on his worldwide begging tour to flee anywhere to safety. He’s hardly prime example of a strong and resilient leader is he

You're including WWII in that?

EasternStandard · Today 11:52

newnamethanks · Today 11:45

Delightful. I do hope there will be a smart uniform. Brown shirts? Or Black?
Out of interest what would your preferred outcome be if Russia / Iran etc did invade?
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Would it be go with it and say ok”

How are they going to get here without being intercepted? Very different ballgame trying to invade an island by air and sea rather than an neighbour overland. Hand to hand is unlikely to be needed. Most attempts would be destroyed from behind a computer screen.
If nuclear is involved, we’ve all had it anyway.

On that cheery thought, have a good afternoon everyone 😁

What you think is stupid and cruel.