I started a thread about how much I hate the word Cum and it got deleted

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I don't know why.

It was quite an interesting discussion.

I maintain that I hate the word cum and I'm not sure when 'come' to orgasm, to arrive, to reach one's sexual destination got bastardised to the really base and crude word cum, it's redolent of grubby blokes, it's seedy, it's horrible.

Anyhoo, I'm not sure why I was deleted, I think maybe one poster thought I was a seedy bloke that wanted women to discuss that word.

Promise I'm not!

It was an interesting discussion up to the point of deletion.

Know of any cum in song lyrics ? Here’s a starter - Things I don’t Remember by Ugly Casanova (Modest Mouse alter-ego band):

Things I don't remember
There was dressed up alligator
There was cum on the piano
Disco dancing neighbors
Who were born in mashed potatoes
Caught with our pants down
Hiding in the doghouse
Figured out what we're good for
You're the sailor and I'm the port

Hey, I take it on the chin if it's true, but I'm pretty sure I'm not arrogant when it comes to accents.

I can tell Ulster from Cork. I can tell Glasgow from Edinburgh. I can tell Valleys from the Llÿn. Bloody hell, I can tell Liverpool from The Wirral, Central Birmingham from Sutton Coldfield and Leicester from Nottingham.

I'm quite good at pinpointing accents. And that was a North Wales accent. My husband is from the Valleys and he doesn't pronounce cwm in that way.

That's like saying that being able to discern between a cockney and geordie accent is arrogant.

And I just wrote cwn down and asked DH to say it, and guess what?

He said it exactly as I knew he would...

I hate the written word so much I'm going to keep posting it

Stop fucking writing it down, then. Good grief!

I totally agree, but then I am North-Walian so I'm guessing my opinion on the correct pronunciation for Cwm doesn't count according to the OP

After all what do 2 welsh womens opinions count for when the OP can ask her husband instead 🙄

Yes, I will, I don't think I've ever written it down at all before I started this thread.

But I started this thread for a reason, which kinds of necessitates it.

It's only because of all the crazy derails that I have to keep saying it.

So blame them. Not me.

"And that was a North Wales accent."

So? I can also hear that it's a north Wales accent. However, the basic pronunciation is the same.

You can hear it in the clip I shared of people talking about Pobol y Cwm. Have you listened to that?

"And I just wrote cwn (sic) down and asked DH to say it, and guess what?

He said it exactly as I knew he would..."

Put in IPA how he pronounced it then.

I'm north Walian myself, but I lived over in the south for ten years and I know the south Walian pronunciation of cwm. They do not pronounce it cm as you suggested, but perhaps it's your description that's misleading.

Your thread was deleted? How cum?

"After all what do 2 welsh womens opinions count for when the OP can ask her husband instead 🙄"

A woman's testimony only half as reliable as a man's!

I didn't say you were arrogant when it came to accents

I said you were arrogant as an English person to be so dismissive of a Welsh person's opinion of the pronunciation of a Welsh word

You have been all over this thread telling people how to pronounce cwm. Now someone has said its different and you are dismissing that as North-Walian like that's some second class Welsh accent that doesn't count for as much

If you knew your DHs pronunciation of Cwm was regional and it varied across Wales why were you there telling everyone on the thread how to pronounce it his way as if it were the one true way, with no mention at all of it differing across regions

Arrogant

Shall we not do this?

I think we'd both accept that there are regional differences in Welsh accents.

I totally get that you are protective of the Welsh language, and that people telling you how to speak you own language is VERY FUCKING ANNOYING.

We have no axe to grind with each other.

This whole thing started because PPs couldn't understand that I pronounced cum and come differently.

Then cwm got dragged into it. I don't want to do this with you. I love and really respect the Welsh language. Accents are regional and the cause of much bollockry.

As about six pages of this thread would attest.

I'm sure it's a fairly recent word, spelt that way, I don't recall ever seeing it in the 70s and 80s.

Do you rhyme some with home.? I’m genuinely intrigued.

Well exactly

I might go ask my DH how it's pronounced. I'm mean he's Black Country so God knows what he would come out with, but still my husbands opinion would probably carry more weight than mine...

"Shall we not do this?"

We started so we'll finish, or have you changed your mind and now accept that you were wrong?

I just had to watch a YouTube video of how to pronounce Cwm as I was panicking I’d always been pronouncing it wrong after many years of living in Wales. Though not many cwms in Pembs. Thankfully I have been pronouncing it correctly, kuum. 👍

Obviously not, that would be mad!!

So I guess the easiest way to explain it is, .maybe I think maybe a word with a singular U as a vowel is just really Anglo-Saxon

Muck
Fuck
Duck
Sum
Sun
Fun

And I really pronounce the Uh.

But

Son
Won
Come
Done

I pronounce it as a longer ahh sound.

Does that make it any clearer?

My accent is an odd'un.

I think I understand though still struggling to “hear” it. I’d pronounce son and sun the same! No uh sound. 😁. Or ahh sound. Just a U.

I'm a lover not a fighter and, if you read back have already mea culpa'd.

So you're alright. I take nothing back.

I understand, OP. I think it’s a gross word, and seeing it in print makes me blech. It just looks illiterate to me, too, like someone was too uneducated to know how to spell “come.”

I had an unfortunate thread deletion incident also. People kept reporting me as a bot or troll because I A) referred to my daughters with somewhat goofy pseudonyms, and B) write like an American with ADHD and a sarcastic sense of humor. Because I’m an American with ADHD and a sarcastic sense of humor.

The mods accepted that I was a real person, but still deleted the thread because it was causing chaos. Which was really too bad, because while the unhelpful responses were extremely unhelpful, the helpful ones were very insightful and gave me a lot to think about.

I think this argument is about regional accents. The op seems to pronounce come, like cahm . From what she’s said, where as I and many others do not. So it’s an accent thing, I pronounce the two words the same as do many other people.

It’s been around since the 90s, I remember seeing a sexual health newspaper (aimed at young gay men) then that used it to mean semen - equally revolting.

"if you read back have already mea culpa'd."

Must have been in invisible ink, but Ok, discussion closed.

Lovers don’t call people tools.

Arseholes do.

Blimey, you're never going to let that one go are you?

I think we should all move on!

I absolutely am a lover. I mean, I was just reacting to a very foolish comment from you.

But ya, carry on if it thrills ya!