To think he’s choosing to be homeless and it’s right that he doesn’t get a housing association property?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68033982

Man works 50hrs a week. At minimum wage that’s 27k and about £1900 take-home each month. He sleeps at friends’ houses or his ex-partner’s, presumably for free. Why can’t he just get a room in a house share (under £600 a month in Glasgow) and save up a deposit for a flat?

Why does he need to be on the housing list as a working man ?

Can’t you see that he being homeless is why he doesn’t have the DD overnight? Or is able to see her as often as he and she would like?

Thats because women are still the primary carer for children.

Child free by choice women like myself are still a minority

I've lived in Glasgow for the past 12 years or so.
When I first lived here, It was possible to walk into the GHA (Glasgow Housing Association- now the Wheatley Group) office, explain that you needed a place and you didn't mind where, and be in a flat within a few days.
I know lots of people who did just that.
Since then there's been a steady programme of HA demolitions. And it's simply not possible anymore.

I think you have to see this man's circumstances in that light. Until recently he would have been a natural candidate for social housing and would have had no problem accessing it. Now, he's bottom of the queue.
That indicates a massive reduction in social housing.

@unlimiteddilutingjuice EXACTLY demolitions and gentrification

Only 22% of social renters in the U.K. are unemployed. 29% are full time workers. The rest are either retired elderly or disabled and not working.

Women can also be sex trafficked, so younger women are usually a higher priority than older women and all men for government homeless aid as they are more vulnerable.

@snowmobileon where do think the low paid workers who brought others their shit during the lockdowns live

There is a real issue on Mumsnet and the attitude towards young people and young people and housing. Let me say it is not all users of this forum. But it is increasingly getting bigger.

The housing market is completely screwed, and for many other people, we can't have a lot of the boomers and Gen X have. A hmo is not suitable for someone who has a child, I have a disability and I have to houseshare and let me tell you it is hell I have been racially abused and sexually assaulted in all of the houseshares I have been in. One of the reasons I was sexually assaulted it because I came back from the gym on a hot summer day in a sports bra and cycling shorts and one of the people in the house at the time had children and he would bring them over 50% of the week as he had shared custody, he was orthodox Jewish and he said his kids couldn't see a relative just how I was so he touched me and slapped my bottom and told me to cover up when his kids were around? That is just one of the main stories they have about sharing with people who have kids in a houseshare.

I would love my own space, but I cannot afford it. Housing is fundamental to many things how many people have such bad mental health, because we are in terrible housing situations yet no government cares about this. I worked on public affairs on Housing policy and let me tell you. It is costing our economy massively by not having good housing.

@MotherOfRatios so sorry that happened to you.

I'd argue that he's directly contributing by way of his taxes towards council housing whereas not all of the ones you've mentioned are. However, if for arguments sake, we say all of them, including him, are 'contributing', then why is he the one at the bottom of the pile? Why is the one who is working hard the one that gets shat on when it comes to needing a little help?

He moved out, but the last person that we had in there, she was just as bad she would glue the lights switches off and then she would glue the door to the kitchen, so no one could get in the kitchen. I don't think people on Mumsnet realise how bad House shares can be.

This is interesting context and it’s a shame the article didn’t point it out with some statistics.

Young women are not helped by my city council. Only if they have children who live with them.

Are you seriously suggesting he should have priority over somebody disabled or ill and homeless because he's fit and healthy?

Presumably because his low paid job just isn’t cutting it with private rents? Because he wants somewhere safe he can take his child to?

I think this must be a regional thing. @unlimiteddilutingjuice has pointed out that until recently, this man would have swiftly got social housing. This is absolutely not the case where I am, or anywhere I’ve lived, and hasn’t been within living memory.

Perhaps this relative availability of social housing is exactly why Glasgow’s had such an influx of refugees?

That is horrible. They should be helped.

Everyone who wants help should be helped. But there has to be a priority order.

Well the examples I gave my friend was kicked out of her home after her husband died with her 2 children. Friend works so is contributing. I don't think we should see children on the street? I think they should go above him.

Other example - young woman has a mental breakdown and is made homeless after her child is put into foster care. She was also a LAC. So incredibly vulnerable. Can't get her Dzc back without a home. I think she should go above him.

@BabaBarrio
In 1991 (back in the mists of time before i met DH when i was 18 and still living with my parents) i went with a friend to the local council office who needed to find a flat. She was single. I still remember what was said to her all these years later. "Im sorry but there arent many available at the moment if you had a baby things would be different but we cant help you at the moment.

I met DH in 1992 and we moved into a small bedsit and lived there for two years and 3 months before we moved to the one bedroom flat where we are now.....

Single men WERE more likely to be housed than single women or couples (all this is without children) It was assumed that women would meet a man and move in with him. (this obvs meant a higher risk of abuse.

The final straw was when my best friends ex beat her yet again She finally gave him the boot and this violent druggie was rehoused within THREE DAYS. While women were being told Sorry we cant help unless you have a child

If he’s an involved father, he will want to live very near his ex and his daughter to be involved in her day to day life (schools pick ups, drop offs etc)

I have a family member in a similar situation in Glasgow. And you know what, it pisses me off. In the part of Glasgow he lives in there are literally no private rentals. Last time I saw one last year is was £800pcm for a 2 bed ex council. And it was a rough area.

so these young men go out and earn money and pay tax, but aren’t entitled to social housing? Seriously, fuck off

The only reason there has to be a priority order is because there isn’t enough social housing. If there were enough, there would be no need to ration it and no need for priority orders.

Sort of like the world wide infamous NHS waiting list each with its own priority orders.

Priority orders are a symptom of a public service in crisis.

Exactly! 👏 👏

OK but no one said that he should be above them, did they? No one is saying he should be given priority over a child. There are people who ahould rightly be given priority over him ie severely disabled, children etc.

What I said was that it's unfair that he is at the very bottom of the heap because he works and doesn't have 'issues' ie substance misuse.

Your two examples make absolutely no difference to the fact that he shouldn't be at the very bottom of the list for housing.