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To think he’s choosing to be homeless and it’s right that he doesn’t get a housing association property?

288 replies

Casparr · 21/01/2024 18:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68033982

Man works 50hrs a week. At minimum wage that’s 27k and about £1900 take-home each month. He sleeps at friends’ houses or his ex-partner’s, presumably for free. Why can’t he just get a room in a house share (under £600 a month in Glasgow) and save up a deposit for a flat?

Daniel Thomson

I'm working but homeless and bottom of the housing list

A working father finds himself "sofa surfing" amid social housing shortages in Scotland's biggest city.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68033982

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Cerealkiller4U · 21/01/2024 19:04

Summerhillsquare · 21/01/2024 19:03

How did we get to a point where we are picking apart the life of a young working man because he has the temerity to complain about the utterly broken housing market?! In what shitty world should an adult not be entitled to a home of their own?

Thank you!

the homeless I work with have been urinated on. Vomited on. Defecated on…

and people wonder why they get judged. Good lord

Ap24 · 21/01/2024 19:05

I'm sure he has at least some options available to him. If he doesn't want to take any of them, for whatever reason that's up to him.

I'm not really sure the point of these articles anymore. We are all aware of how expensive housing is, we know there isn't enough housing, and especially enough smaller properties. But what is the solution? Most peoples budgets are being squeezed and wages are stagnant. So we are expected to pay more in taxes to build housing for people who could afford a room/bedsit/small flat?

Casparr · 21/01/2024 19:06

Ap24 · 21/01/2024 19:05

I'm sure he has at least some options available to him. If he doesn't want to take any of them, for whatever reason that's up to him.

I'm not really sure the point of these articles anymore. We are all aware of how expensive housing is, we know there isn't enough housing, and especially enough smaller properties. But what is the solution? Most peoples budgets are being squeezed and wages are stagnant. So we are expected to pay more in taxes to build housing for people who could afford a room/bedsit/small flat?

I'm not really sure the point of these articles anymore

Same. As an able-bodied young man with full-time employment and no dependents, it’s right that he’s at the bottom of the housing list. I don’t know what the BBC is trying to demonstrate or why anyone would be shocked or surprised.

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BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 21/01/2024 19:06

Casparr · 21/01/2024 18:55

His daughter isn’t classed as a dependent or he’d be higher priority. She doesn’t rely on him for housing.

I can’t say I know Glasgow well but I’ve just looked on Rightmove and there’s over 100 2-bed flats, across the city, for under £800. So yes, he can afford to rent somewhere big enough for himself and his daughter. He could easily save enough for a deposit by living in a house-share for six months.

If you "don't know Glasgow well", then don't comment. Do you know how hard it is in Glasgow for a non student to get a houseshare at a decent rent? I do. Very, very, very hard. So many people are competing for spaces.

This man works and contributes towards society. I think he should be high up on the list of people who should get a council property - he is after all, paying towards them off his taxes.

What a sad state of affairs. And what a nasty post this is.

ilovesooty · 21/01/2024 19:07

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Always someone who can't wait to push an anti immigration agenda.

Dissimilitude · 21/01/2024 19:07

NotMyFirstChoiceofName · 21/01/2024 18:43

Don’t worry, he won’t get a housing association property. Glasgow has over 900 people in B and Bs and hundreds of them will have higher priority than a working single man.

Every Monday the list gets longer as the Home Office approve even more refugees and they all turn up and present as homeless. The Government only fund their accommodation for 7 days now the covid money has stopped and then it’s up to local authorities. Thats why they are going bankrupt - Glasgow City Council is more than £17M in debt.

An absolutely incredible state of affairs.

Nonomono · 21/01/2024 19:07

YABVU

You obviously live a very privileged lifestyle and have no clue how difficult it is for some people.

This man is working 50 hours a week and cannot find affordable housing.
There are thousands of people like him in his situation.

When I was looking for homes to rent it was very difficult trying to save up the money to get a deposit and then most landlords didn’t want to know as they wanted someone with a much higher income or 2 incomes.

Would you rather he gave up his job and just rely on benefits?

Casparr · 21/01/2024 19:07

Summerhillsquare · 21/01/2024 19:03

How did we get to a point where we are picking apart the life of a young working man because he has the temerity to complain about the utterly broken housing market?! In what shitty world should an adult not be entitled to a home of their own?

Because he can afford to rent one. So why is it news?

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Ponoka7 · 21/01/2024 19:07

Homelessness in Glasgow has doubled. There were 1400 applications from approved asylum seekers. Glasgow is the main dispersal city in Scotland for asylum seekers. Like Liverpool they are going into crisis. But yes, let's blame our citizens for their homelessness. There's perks to living in London. We are slowly losing the perks to living up north and in cities such a Glasgow. There's a massive detrimental effect on the children of parents in insecure housing.

Nonomono · 21/01/2024 19:08

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 21/01/2024 19:06

If you "don't know Glasgow well", then don't comment. Do you know how hard it is in Glasgow for a non student to get a houseshare at a decent rent? I do. Very, very, very hard. So many people are competing for spaces.

This man works and contributes towards society. I think he should be high up on the list of people who should get a council property - he is after all, paying towards them off his taxes.

What a sad state of affairs. And what a nasty post this is.

I completely agree.

Cerealkiller4U · 21/01/2024 19:08

Very nasty post. I concur.

ilovesooty · 21/01/2024 19:08

And yes, this is a mean spirited thread.

Casparr · 21/01/2024 19:09

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 21/01/2024 19:06

If you "don't know Glasgow well", then don't comment. Do you know how hard it is in Glasgow for a non student to get a houseshare at a decent rent? I do. Very, very, very hard. So many people are competing for spaces.

This man works and contributes towards society. I think he should be high up on the list of people who should get a council property - he is after all, paying towards them off his taxes.

What a sad state of affairs. And what a nasty post this is.

I think he should be high up on the list of people who should get a council property

Who would you put beneath him, out of interest?

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Nonomono · 21/01/2024 19:11

Casparr · 21/01/2024 19:07

Because he can afford to rent one. So why is it news?

Have you actually read the article that you linked?

It literally says in it that he can’t afford to save up for the deposit.

Why do you think he’d rather sleep on someone’s sofa or pay £100 hotels, if he can just afford a place of his own?

Sparklesocks · 21/01/2024 19:12

Casparr · 21/01/2024 19:07

Because he can afford to rent one. So why is it news?

Again, you don’t know his income. You’ve done a calculation based on hours worked but you have no idea if he’s paid for all of this, he might be salaried on significantly less rather than paid hourly. You don’t know his outgoings, his debts, you don’t know if he pays child maintenance and how much if so. And he’s not obligated to share any of that for article context. You can’t pull a figure out of your arse and decide it’s fact.

Ponoka7 · 21/01/2024 19:14

Casparr · 21/01/2024 19:09

I think he should be high up on the list of people who should get a council property

Who would you put beneath him, out of interest?

If a city can't meet the need of their population then they shouldn't have asylum seekers forced onto them without building programmes and funding.

Perhapsanorhertimewouldbebetter · 21/01/2024 19:14

This sort of thread really does bring it home, so to speak, how some people are just sitting waiting to judge things they know nothing about.

Pacifybull · 21/01/2024 19:14

It’s not just the rent, it’s the matter of a deposit and rent upfront and, most of all, being able to provide a guarantor who has an income over a certain level - eg, my sister was not able to be a guarantor for her son because she didn’t earn enough, despite working full time. Her son and his wife could easily afford the rent as professionals in the NHS but that wasn’t good enough.

VampireWeekday · 21/01/2024 19:14

It's actually not easy to walk into flashares in Glasgow. Lots of competition, deposits required, prices going up, many converted to air BnBs. I imagine it's the deposit holding him back.

Perhapsanorhertimewouldbebetter · 21/01/2024 19:16

Ponoka7 · 21/01/2024 19:14

If a city can't meet the need of their population then they shouldn't have asylum seekers forced onto them without building programmes and funding.

Most of the UK is currently struggling to meet the housing needs of the people living here, cities, urban areas, rural areas, all struggling to provide enough affordable housing and even housing in general!

OhpoorMe · 21/01/2024 19:16

I there are a huge number of people who could afford to not be in council housing - you see posters on here all the time "I don't want to private rent as it's expensive". Meanwhile there's people trapped on the streets and in temp accommodation. The system is fucked

tachetastic · 21/01/2024 19:16

Casparr · 21/01/2024 18:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68033982

Man works 50hrs a week. At minimum wage that’s 27k and about £1900 take-home each month. He sleeps at friends’ houses or his ex-partner’s, presumably for free. Why can’t he just get a room in a house share (under £600 a month in Glasgow) and save up a deposit for a flat?

I am not judging him. Just throwing in that on Rightmove rentals for two bedroom flats in Glasgow start at around 575 pcm. Not saying they're nice flats or in good areas. If not, it is hard to say whether or not that is worse than sofa surfing.

sandrapinchedmysandwich · 21/01/2024 19:18

Brefugee · 21/01/2024 19:03

Careful hoiking those judgy pants up so high! OP, you'll get a nasty rash

This. What a nasty horrible thread. And 27k is not £1900, especially if you are trying to pay towards a pension or have student loans to pay. Maybe you should walk a mile in his shoes before posting something so shitty. Shame on you ip
Maybe you should post YOUR circumstances so we can also pick your life apart

Pacifybull · 21/01/2024 19:19

tachetastic · 21/01/2024 19:16

I am not judging him. Just throwing in that on Rightmove rentals for two bedroom flats in Glasgow start at around 575 pcm. Not saying they're nice flats or in good areas. If not, it is hard to say whether or not that is worse than sofa surfing.

But he doesn’t necessarily get to choose one of these flats. There are loads of people chasing the same flats. The landlord chooses. And landlords like double-income professionals, with a guarantor.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 21/01/2024 19:19

FuckinghellthatsUnbelievable · 21/01/2024 18:46

He does have a dependant. Rents are incredibly expensive now. A two bed flat ( so he can have his daughter stay) can be completely out of reach for people working full time jobs. 1k+ rent plus bills, ct, commuting costs and food plus maintenance. The sums just don’t add up. We should definitely be investing in social housing rather than propping up high rents via uc.

I agree with you. I had no idea about the UC top ups for rent until a colleague's young adult son got his equally young adult g/f pregnant a few years ago. They at the time moved into a flat in a not very nice town in the SE. He was a student at uni, she had been but dropped out. Universal credit was paying them approx £900 per month for housing. I was horrified - that comes directly from taxpayers. His mum was also shocked - single parents, we both worked in steady but low paid jobs. So his family and hers helped out with temporary accommodation for a time but when the baby came they moved into this privately owned and rented flat. (No criticism of the landlord - they are allowed to own and rent out property). 2 young adults - aged 18-20 who have contributed nothing to society. He couldnt be bothered to wear a condom and the tax payer funds over £10k pa. And that wasn't the whole claim. They are no longer together. This has to be stopped. I do not wish to fund this. And what is the cost per house to build on an estate where hopefully the brownfield site is already owned by council or govt? It must be less even looking at a 10-year payback.

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