To be worried about war here?

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I don't listen to conspiracy theories but LBC news have reported this

NATO warn it's members to prepare their armies because they expect 'all out war' (the phrases used) with RUSSIA within the next 20 years

AIBU to be worried? Seems very extreme

Have previously felt very safe in my troubled yet generally very safe country with strong allies

@MrsMarzetti I'd hope that nobody would be dismissive or thoughtless about any mother's fear for their children

Yes wouldnt it be awful for OUR children to be conscripted. Wouldn't it be so heartbreakingly said to imagine OUR children being forced into a war they have no say in and face all the horrors.
Just like all the parents children in Ukraine Russia South Korea and those fallen soldiers who have gone before us. Why are people suddenly more aware of it when it could effect them?

I don't think anybody is saying that! worrying surely doesn't mean that people haven't been thinking about those currently going through it or about the devastating impact on children of current conflict. Both can be true you know

I think it's unlikely there will be a major conventional war. Russia doesn't have the wealth or the manpower. If they can't defeat Ukraine, what hope would they have against NATO? I also think it unlikely that China will fight the USA in the Pacific.

The things you really want to worry about are climate change, overpopulation and mass migration. Those three things could combine in the coming decades to cause utter chaos. In 1900, there were one billion humans. By 1960 that had trebled to three billion. By 2000 it had gone up to six billion. It's now eight billion and still rising. Yes the birth rate is dropping in Europe, but in parts of Africa women still have six kids, on average, and the African population is going to double by 2050.

If climate change gets as bad as some fear, people will start moving – in their millions. And that will cause havoc. I'm in rural Essex, which is now so crowded it's affecting our quality of life. The traffic is hell. So bad, in fact, that I sometimes feel like a prisoner in my own home. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for a giant new estate, including blocks of flats. And at the other end of the village a second massive housing estate is being built. The UK is overcrowded now. What the hell is going to happen when tens of millions of climate refugees settle here?

Of course I wouldn't. Where did I say that? I don't want anyone to fight. Wars are completely senseless and only the innocent suffer. It demonstrates the utter stupidity of mankind.

Am I right in thinking you will be encouraging your children to sign up before they start conscription?

It's not being dismissive at all. We all have the same fears. It would be heartbreaking beyond words to watch our Children/Grandchildren to go to war but would you seriously expect someone else's child fight to protect yours whilst they hid?
My Son is in the RAF as is my Nephew and Great Nephew. My Granddaughter will join up in the next 6 months so i won't have to wait until there is conscription.
Hawkerslife if we get to the point of war ( i hope we don't) anyone that hides or is a conscientious objector will never be able to walk the streets freely again.

My brother is a submariner so neither will I have to wait until subscription.

I'm sorry but I simply disagree with you on your final point. Young men and women (some of them mere teenagers) petrified for their lives should not have to fight if they choose not to. Do you think the thousands of young men that fled Russia and Ukraine because they didn't want to fight should be imprisoned? Your comment suggests they should.

If people want to go and fight then absolutely feel free to do so. But I will never agree with conscription.

YANBU when places like Sweden are telling their citizens to prepare for war, its not such a leap to think it night happen to us. I think, largely due to the controlled media in the UK, we are kept in the dark about what else is going on in the world. Put in won't stop at Ukraine, if he is successful he'll start looking for his next target. I think we all need to work harder to find out what is happening else where.

Don't worry, AI will kill us all long before Russia.

If your daft enough to think nothing will happen then keep your head in the clouds. Things can change within hours and not for the better as the world's wars currently show

Wether we agree with conscription or not is neither here nor there, our country goes to war there will be conscription. Do i think those that choose not to go and fight should be imprisoned ? No, but after a war finished those that return will have no respect for those that stood back and let others fight for them.

Yes it would be awful for our children to be sent to war. Nobody's children should be sent to war. War just shouldn't be a thing that happens - but you get these power hungry (usually) men, that see other people's children as dispensable.

Fwiw I saw 20 days in Mariupol at the cinema on Tuesday, and I cried watching other people's children die. I cried watching the pain on their parents faces when they got the news that their children couldn't be saved.

Of course people are more aware of things when it affects them. For example, when my job newly involved me working with a man in a wheelchair, I became so much more aware of the issues re accessibility. Not that I wasn't aware of them before - but seeing the real life affects of, for example, someone parking in such a way that the disabled entrance to a building was inaccessible - made it more real to me. That's just how life works.

@Hawkerslife
I totally agree with you regarding conscription.
Being terrified of being made to fight/maybe being killed in a war, and/or being totally against the concept of war, is not the same thing at all as expecting, (as @MrsMarzetti puts it), "someone else's child to fight to protect yours whilst they hid".
People who are in the armed forces presumably chose to join, so presumably knew/know that they may be called upon to fight in a war.
And no, I'm not saying that's great, and that it lets the rest of us off the hook.
I don't know what the answer is, but to conscript younger people to fight in a war that they want absolutely no part of, and had no say in, to me is abhorrent.
I'm old enough to remember a film called "Oh What A Lovely War".........my memory of it isn't great, but it demonstrated how decisions to go to war are made by people, (politicians et al), who are totally cocooned from actually having to fight, but forcibly using powerless people as cannon fodder.
I'm actually bloody sick of willy-waving men like Putin and his ilk seemingly able to have so much power and clout - pathetic really, if it wasn't so dangerous.

Do you honestly need an answer to that? Why do we care about our own children.

But your children/grandchildren have freely opted to join the RAF, how is that the same thing?

Doomsday Clock currently sits at 90 seconds to midnight, will be interesting to see if it will edge closer on Tuesday.

I'll be very surprised if it doesn't

if we get to the point of war ( i hope we don't) anyone that hides or is a conscientious objector will never be able to walk the streets freely again

By Jingo, we’ll be giving out white feathers next. Whats wrong with being a conscientious objector? Or even hiding? Not everyone wants to rush off and fight.

😂😂😂that’s such crap.

Why should anyone go and fight in a war made by old men.

Conscription will not happen here. People just won’t go.

*people wont willingly go.

There would also be changes to anxiety and other soft disabilities being exempting factors when push came to shove.

There would also be changes to anxiety and other soft disabilities being exempting factors when push came to shove

Too right people won’t willingly go. Haven’t you heard of civil disobedience? I’m sure someone with severe anxiety will make an amazing conscript,

Conscription seems synonymous with cannon fodder and that's what's hard to get over

Well, not the only thing obviously

Yess. Imagine Rishi sat on his pert little arse in safety and sending all the young people off to war.

We don’t have enough people to run the country, why not kill all the young ones off as well? Then we’ll have no taxes either.

It’s just laughable. My Dd was in the Desert Rats, Dm was conscripted into munitions, my uncles fought at Monte Christo and my great uncle was the only survivor of all the battles of Passchendalr. They were all broken by it and fiercely anti war. War is abhorrent. Conscription is disgusting.