To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

@VisionsOfSplendour good point. I'll look into it. Think my local pharmacy will do it as that's where we had DD vaccinated against CP (and DH as he's never had it, but has had mumps).

No they weren't. If someone had measles all the other children were kept well away because before routine vaccination parents knew how dangerous it could be (I, nearly 65 so I was there). Maybe you are getting confused with chicken pox or geman measles. Either that or someone didn't care if their kids died or were left disabled. Even mild measles is extremely unpleasant (I've had it).

When I was born in mid 70s there was only a single measles jab, which wasn't brilliantly effective. Dm noticed with friends that those who had had the measles jab, if they did get measles, seemed to have it badly, so we didn't get it.
I had measles aged 3yo and I can remember how ill I felt. I suspect my issues with light (bright light gives me migraines) may have started then, as I remember light being really painful.
All girls (only) had the rubella jab at 13yo.

My brother was born in 1981 and there still was no MMR. He didn't have either measles or mumps and Dm really had to fight for him to get the MMR in his teens.

So if you're in your 40s or older, there's a very high chance you didn't have a jab so it's worth, if you don't know you had measles, seeing if the GP will do you.
Plus immunity from injections does run out, hence them checking your rubella status each pregnancy rather than just checking to see if you had the jab.
Dsis (a GP) caught whooping cough from a patient in her 20s, despite being fully vaccinated. Apparently that is one that's particularly apt to decrease immunity with time.

Lastly, if you have a dc who's not old enough for the second MMR then, if there's an outbreak in your area, they may well do early boosters. When ds was little he had his 2nd at just over 2yo, which was only 6 months after his first, for that reason. I'm told that two doses is much more effective than one.

sure they have

I agree - I wasn't criticising home schooling. It can be done very well, but also very badly!

Why? I just don't get people moaning about measles when they've made a choice not to vaccinate their child. Unless there's a good reason not to just get it done.

My cat had a severe allergic reaction to the standard feline vaccines that almost killed her so we made the decision we wouldn't get her boosters done (felt this was a relatively safe option as she is an indoor deaf blind cat so never goes out and is physically unable to escape). Anyway the vet asked if I was an anti vaxxer which cracked me up given how militant I am about vaccinating my kid 🤣

@duckpancakes People are concerned for other people that can't have the vaccine - surely that's easy to understand.

Herd immunity. It’s not just individual children.

@Notanotherbloodynamechange1

Your post is very unpleasant. Calling people names? Shows you for what you are and leaves your argument invalid

They really don’t like being called out on their BS.

This really gets on my nerves. The pandemic and Covid vaccines has worsened this anti vax movement, and loss of trust in Pharmaceutical companies, which I understand. However, we are all largely here and living longer due to modern medicine; people fail to understand this.

I saw a woman on the news saying her children weren’t vaccinated because she didn’t know about the “background information”. Background information?! Lady, you have the internet, and secondly, this tells me you don’t understand about science, biology, immunity, vaccines - so why are you weighing in on this?

That interview with Jenny McCarthy on Oprah saying the MMR vaccine caused her son’s autism was a catalyst in this movement. For those that don’t know, signs of autism tend to noticeable at this age, hence it is mere coincidence. Causation does not imply causation!

Secondly the medical “expert” making these claims about this vaccine published his own research (not peer reviewed), which tells you it was all BS. Everything in science is peer reviewed before it is published, or anyone could say whatever they wanted…

All these unvaccinated are putting my family at risk of serious illness 😡

The single doses are not necessary for most people. As for 'going to school with an MMR victim', did you deliberately word that in a very vague way and also forget to acknowledge how many people are vaccinated with no issues whatsoever?

Please listen and understand this about measles. The measles virus causes immune cells to lose their memory of previous diseases that the person has already encountered. Thus if they've had, say, chicken pox, their immune cells forget this and so it's possible for them to get chicken pox again. Or Influenza. Or Rubella. Or bacterial infections. Previous vaccinations. The list goes on. It's known as 'immune amnesia' and was only discovered in 2012.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211112-the-people-with-immune-amnesia

Measles is a lot more insidious than you think.

@PupInAPram MMR didn't exist until 1988 and was a 1 dose schedule. A 2nd dose was added in 1996 so some people will only have had 1 dose.

I won't have had any MMR as I was born in 1973 although there was apparently a single measles vaccine and I had the rubella vaccine as a teenager.

Yes I understand that I'm not thick. I am just annoyed at the antivaxxers being all like AHHH MEASLES when they could have vaccinated their child. Those people who CAN'T have the vaccination sure they are right to be of concern.

For those looking for information about measles, I've found this document interesting. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65a7a806867cd800135ae9bb/national-measles-guidelines-january-2024.pdf

Mmr was introduced in 1988. He may have had the single vaccine against measles and one against mumps but coverage of the vaccine was low.

I’m no way am I dissing the rubella vaccine. I am well aware that rubella can cause both deafness and blindness if caught in utero. I have never previously heard of it causing serious problems in born children. When the vaccine was first introduced in the U.K, it was only offered to teenage girls so that their future babies would be protected. Much later, it was extended to all children for the specific purpose of creating herd immunity.

I was born in 1986 and had the measles and mumps vaccines separately. I found out when I was going through IVF that I hadn't had the rubella vaccine and had that done as an adult

@duckpancakes ok then we're kind of saying that same thing.

@Fallenangelofthenorth "Maybe it's because people don't have faith in either the medical profession or the government? There must be a reason for vaccine uptake being so low"

It is not a question of blind faith. If the Government tell me it will be colder in January that July, it is not blind faith if I agree. Putting equal weight on frauds adn idiots as to people who do the work and have experience is not critical thinking, it is just dumb.
Of course, people are wary of having things they do not understand injected into bodies of loved ones. Except, we make these leaps of faith every day. What disturbs people is that even when scientists and medical folk were screaming at the papers that printing scare stories would lead to dead babies and sick kids, the papers still chose dead babies and sick kids in order to sell more newspapers.
And because the newspapers still dictate the news, the BBC etc have to pretend that this is a two sided debate.
Add some know-it-alls who cannot stand they idea that they are not the experts, so spread nonsense on social media too and we have these problems.

Why are people so down on the covid jabs? They make the illness milder as vaccines are supposed to do.

Yes, I was a child in the 60s/70s and there were definitely no measles parties. Someone idiot will start claiming there were polio parties next. Such ignorance.