To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

That's not how it works. Stats or medicine.

The whole point of vaccination IS to produce a reaction.

Vaccine damage is an adverse reaction. And it is not binary. Many children will have a temperature and be a bit grumpy. That's an adverse reaction but not one that is permanent.

Vaccine damage can be devastating, it can also be any stage in between.

The same for measles, it can be a mild childhood disease or it can be devastating and any stage in between.

I had the measles jab as a baby I’m now 58, my mother was wondering why she was getting a letter fro Great Ormond Street every year enquiring if I’d got the measles or not. She investigated it and found out I was one of the first so I was used as a guinea pig.
I had both my sons vaccinated but separately as I don’t think putting 3 things into a tiny baby makes sense. My first born was no problem because there was no hoo haa about it and had it separately through the NHS, seven years later when I asked for my second son to have it separately I was told no, in no uncertain terms. I went privately and paid for it.

London, Birmingham that largest immigrant areas.

@threatmatrix why would you want your baby to have three separate injections when they could just have one and be done? That makes far less sense to me!

Not to play devils advocate but I remember seeing some news stories around 2021 saying that parents weren’t talking their kids for the jabs. I was quite annoyed because at that moment I was pestering my gp for an appointment for dd. I had rang them as I knew that she was due and they’d said they’d call with an appointment. Christmas came and went and no call. Kept getting fobbed off and in the end rang my health visitor who rang them and got us booked in. It shouldn’t have been that hard. Lots of kids just won’t have parents that will be bothered if the nhs makes it that hard for them.

why would you want your baby to have three separate injections when they could just have one and be done?

It could be that in the early 1980s they didn't have a mumps vaccine. I don't know when it was introduced. The German Measles one wasn't given until girls were about twelve. So one measles vaccine was considered enough.

your view is dont cross the road because to the person who gets hit it's 100% going to happen

Yes @jannier people don't understand the difference between relative risk and actual risk.

DD was doing her (related) Masters during Covid times and her supervisor used the example of the risk of being hit by lightning. Of course it is A risk, but no one looks out of their house on a calm, dry day and says 'oh I'm not going to go to the shops/walk the dog today as I might be hit be lightning.'

This is an interesting thread. It’s prompted me to ask my doctor if I can be vaccinated against mumps (I had both measles and rubella as a child but never mumps). I’ll see what they come back with once they’ve looked at the Econsult.

So when you were weaning did you only offer your baby one food?

Introducing one food at a time was standard weaning advice when mine were that age.

Are you for real. Is food a man made synthetic drug. Has food been accused of causing autism. Have you taken your meds.

Oh we're back to the autism is caused by vaccines claptrap. 🙄

@threatmatrix actually when my dc was very little, there were people who did believe that autism was caused by food. Perhaps you don't remember the hoo-ha about gluten and casein.

Sorry I didn’t see where you got your science degree

I don't need a science degree. I listen to the people that do have one though. Unlike you, it seems.

@threatmatrix I trust you are aware that the scientific consensus, agreed by people with degrees in things like immunology and neurology, is that the MMR does not in fact cause autism? Or had that snippet passed you by? 'Vaccines cause autism' is indeed claptrap.

I prefer to read thesis by credited scientists that are not paid by big pharma you know ones like Dr Malone and Dr Malhotra.

Ah, 'Big Pharma'.

Reckon I can call Bingo now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/technology/robert-malone-covid.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/13/bbc-cardiologist-aseem-malhotra-links-covid-jabs-to-heart-disease-deaths

I worked in vaccine development. I was working well into the evening during Covid. My best friend worked himself into the ground on RNA vaccines. My sister worked long hours in ICU, and did so for far too long when people would not get vaccinated.
Are you saying that you know more about it that we do? i.e. that we are all utterly negligent and you are way smarter?
Or are you saying we are complicit in some global mass murdering conspiracy?
Or are you a narcissistic waste os space who cannot cope with not being hte expert and it not being about you?

All good, just let me know which one?

I didn't have any vaccinations as a child after an adverse reaction to the first one hospitalised me as a child in the 70s. I remember going to hospital at about age 7 to have tests to see if I could have them and ended up ill again so i'm completely unvaccinated. My gp has ascertained i've already had mumps, whooping cough, rubella, and chicken pox as a child but we are currently deciding whether I should get the measles jab, given that i'm classed as vulnerable and am a teacher in a huge secondary.

I have since developed (over 52 years) 5 autoimmune disorders (Graves, Hashimotos, Reynauds, Granuloma annulares, Lupus)so it's evident that it's an issue for me. My latest arrival arrived after my covid vaccine, which also made me very ill, but also likely saved my life!

My son had the first vaccination as a baby, i think it was pertussis? Also ended up in hospital.

With guidance from the gp he was vaccinated with single vaccines (which i paid for) and even these made him ill but he managed and he's since been fine. My daughter is rock solid and didn't have any reaction so had the grouped vaccines. Although weirdly, she was extremely ill after the hep vaccine at school as a teen, and has since developed an autoimmune disorder.

I do think those with autoimmune family history probably need a bit more support with vaccines but i'd never, ever not do it- I had friends who were left disabled by polio. Although it's not, to my knowledge, been researched, my family has a history of autoimmune disorders (i have photos of Victorian relatives with goitres and my own mum has 4 varieties) and I think theres something in it, although i accept my own experience as anecdotal.

The vaccines offered at my school also had low teenage uptake, so I think we can expect a surge in hpv and cervical issues too, sadly.

@phlebasconsidered it is to protect people like you and your family that the rest of us should get bloody vaccinated!