To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

Measles are very rarely a matter of life or death

Rare, but globally it still amounted to around 136,000 deaths in 2022. Mostly children.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/998843#?form=fpf

You haven't had the MMR vaccine whatever the card says as it didn't exist.

18 years ago, Andrew Wakefield told everyone that the MMR vaccine caused autism. I remember threads on here with people believing this and refusing to give their kids the MMR. So there is a cohort of people in their teens who haven’t been vaccinated. In addition, the housing crisis probably means that young families who have to move frequently haven’t been vaccinated, likewise asylum seekers if they have been moved around and families who struggle to access appointments because of working commitments and GP’s closed door policies, if the time to vaccinate was during the pandemic.

One of my aunts was an antivaxxer even before Wakefield. My cousin wasn't vaccinated against anything.

The moment she left home to go to uni, she contacted her GP there and worked out a plan to catch up with every single vaccine she had missed. She's just had a baby of her own - who will be vaccinated. The woo is incredibly damaging.

Agreed.
Glad you had all the vaccines offered but the MMR triple vaccine wasn't in existence then.

On home educating parents' Facebook groups it's always the anti vaxxers who have the worst grammar. Here is a sample comment:

"Its extremely selfish and foolish to inject your child with to toxin's that are formulated together to cause "unavoidable adverse reaction's" it is irresponsible to inject your child with something that has been deemed "avoidably unsafe" by supreme court"

It can’t be though as the OP is talking about secondary school kids who would normally get the MMR when they were toddlers.

I don't know how old you mother is, but in the late 70s/early 80s chicken pox "parties" were a thing but measles parties absolutely were not. If you think it's rarely a matter of life and death perhaps look at these figures. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013 Death is obviously the most serious result of measles - it can lead to complications such as pneumonia, meningitis (both of which can also kill) and blindness.

And you’re proud of this why?
I’d be ashamed of such ignorance.

For adults who haven't had a measles vaccine, I think you can be vaccinated if born in the 70s. If older than that they assume you have had measles already, I think.

We'll that's hardly likely is it. It's secondary aged children who are at risk and large numbers haven't had the vaccine as children so not solely due to a pandemic 3 years ago 🤷‍♀️

DD (teenager) and I went camping last year in school term, because her school had a couple of INSET days. The children of one of the site staff really latched onto her - no problem, she loves looking after younger children.

Apparently they are home schooled, and told her how boring and lonely it was not to have other children to play with. They liked the school holidays because families come camping and they had other children to play with.

I got chatting to the parent - they were quite paranoid about The Government Telling Them What To Do. I asked some general questions about home schooling, and they told me that their children had said they wanted to go to school, and they were willing to send them, but not at the 'cost' of having them vaccinated, and the local school wouldn't take them without having the jabs (which sounds unlikely to me?)

I got the feeling that the parents didn't have anything against vaccinations as such, but refused them to assert their rights as parents.

In the meantime their children were not only unprotected from serious illnesses, but bored and lonely and wished they could go to school.

I'm sorry for your loss, that's horrible.

That said the illnesses which we vaccinate against have and would kill/injure more folk than the vaccinations have or would.

Why have vaccines killed people in your family?

@dementedpixie that's the conclusion I've come to also. Sorry to hear about your brother, I remember a girl I worked with had mumps in the mid naughties. She was very ill and it took ages for her to recover, but luckily no long lasting effects AFAIK.

My Dad grew up in a developing nation in the 50s. My paternal grandmother lost four of her nine children, two within days of one another, to illnesses we now vaccinate against. I am forever grateful for the vaccines and it makes me indescribably angry when I see the hard of thinking blithely claim they are just money making tools shilled by "big pharma".

Yes, originally it was only one jab, then they found out some children's immunity wore off.

You can have another dose now.

It has pork derivatives so the Muslim community don't want it, and probably aren't all aware there is a vegan version. And what about the illegal immigrants, I can't imagine many of these children are vaccinated. There are many issues at play really

And here’s your answer.

choosing to remain ignorant of world events and what’s going on in general is one of the reason this world is as fucked up as it is.

wake up and see what’s happening while you’re doomscrolling mindless influencers.

Shame til he outbreak reports focused on vaccines rather than illness outcomes.

I also know ‘children’ at university who have rushed to the doctors for their vaccines now they are away from their mothers.

It’s rather appalling to invent stuff like that to support your anti-vaccine viewpoint.

Getting off topic but just to say that home educated children have plenty of opportunity to socialise. My home educated child sees other children on a daily basis. That parent is doing home education wrong if their child is lonely.

The reality is that the vaccine protects the majority of folk who get it, so not really sure your point.

the vaccine uptake stats are not entirely accurate.

my 17yo is down as “unvaccinated”

however I got him single jabs privately at the time instead of MMR. He’s fully vaccinated against measles but is in those antivax stats. Same for my dd.

the problem is that about 15 years ago, the govt started to prevent people getting all the single jabs privately. They completely stopped the supply of mumpsvax to try to force people to get mmr

my kids have had all jabs, including covid. They just had mmr as singles. I went to school with an mmr victim.