To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

Does anyone know, will my daughter be protected as she's had the vaccination even if another child at her preschool hasn't had it and catches measles?

That was a confusing time for parents - I remember reading articles on my sisters behalf to help reassure her (she asked because I have a scientific background). I'm glad you got your child vaccinated and sorry to hear your experience. Folk underestimate measles as an illness.

Vaccines aren’t a guarantee you won’t catch something it just means if you do your body can deal with it better and symptoms will be milder.

Andrew Wakefield had invested in the single measles vaccination, which is why he wanted people to think it was safer than the MMR.

Are you asking for the vaccine efficiency statistics? I'm sure that will be available online but no one can tell if it will fail for a particular child.Ilm not sure exactly what you mean

Secondary school age kids were MMR age about 10 years ago so not the pandemic. I think it’s the Andrew Wakefield thing too because we still get posts on here from parents nervous about giving their babies the MMR. There were anti-vaxx people back then too.

As I understand it, if your child is fully vaccinated and come into contact with an infected child, they are less likely to catch it, but if they donit will be a lot milder compared to a none vaccinated child.
Any parent that does not vaccinate their child is child neglect and are bloody stupid!

I think unfortunately although 25 years has passed, it has had a lasting effect. I am 35 with my first baby and other new mums around me are commenting they are scared of the vaccine because of the autism link.

I think parents who don't vaccinate haven't thought long and hard about what it was like before vaccines.

My gran told me about when whooping cough would do the rounds when she was young, all the kids would just be kept in pandemic style as their parents were terrified. Or polio would go round an area and kill a few kids, paralyse some others.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/mmr-vaccine/

NHS info.

(Antivaxxers will no doubt say the NHS isn't reliable).

@RedRobyn2021 if you scroll quite far down this talks about effectiveness.

Our son had measles as an older baby, he should have already had his first dose, but his birth mother hadn’t bothered with any vaccines. As a result he has a hearing impairment and he lost toes on both feet, he’s very lucky, a few houra difference could have been major limb loss or death.

I was a child in a country where access to vaccines was limited due to cost, I had friends my own age (I’m 35) who died of measles as young children. Maybe the babies red book should have a booklet that has info about the diseases and pictures of people who have caught the disease, a bit like the health warnings on tabacco.

Critical thinking skills need to be taught in schools because generally as a population, people are more stupid than we realise.

There was a post just last week of someone who had been “researching” on the internet aka just positively reinforcing their opinion by only googling and finding certain videos/websites.

There is no autism link, FFS!

Another one who caught measles before jabs were available, I can trace my really poor teeth back to my 4 week stay in bed. I don't understand anti vaxx, why let your DC be ill?

Oh the pandemic has definitely had an impact. Someone I know who became extremely antivax during the pandemic has recently posted on Facebook something negative about the HPV vaccine.

Adults can still get vaccines - someone maybe needs to gently inform them of their non-vaccinated status and the risks to them and potential children. There are no homeopathic vaccines (I'm thinking you already know that but some folk may not).

DS2 was

People don’t remember these diseases because they were lucky enough to be born when they weren’t rampant. My sister had whooping cough and I still remember the noise she made as she was trying to breathe.
An hour on google isn’t research.

According to the BBC, it is concentrated in the West Midlands in some communities who won’t have the vaccine because they are worried about pork derivatives being used.

Nothung to do with woo or even the Wakefield man, on this occasion.

I think part of the problem is my generation (I’m 40) have been lucky enough to not really see the effects of measles so maybe some people have underestimated the danger of it? Become a bit complacent?

ds is fully vaccinated and it never crossed my mind not to. But until hearing some of the recent media reports, and expert interviews, I was unaware of just how contagious it is and some of the lasting effects especially on the immune system. I knew it was bad but not how bad!

perhaps it’s time for some really hard hitting adverts to get the message home to parents that this isn’t something you mess about with.

I was in A&E with my child and in the next bed there was little boy maybe age 3 and I have never heard such a small child cough and not be able to breath, it was truly heartbreaking. The little boy had croup and the Dr advised the parent it was totally preventable if he had been vaccinated, FFS!

BBC article:

Dr Syed said "fewer and fewer people" were receiving immunisations due to "various communities" holding "various beliefs around measles".

“There are some Muslim communities who have concerns around the MMR, because one of the MMR vaccines does have ingredients derived from pork," he said.

“However there are other vaccines available, that do not have any pork or pork derivate ingredients in them, which are perfectly safe to be given."

I agree the Wakefield thing has long reach.

Shame on the Daily Mail etc. too for amplifying it.

In the kindest possible way I think you misheard there. There isn’t a vaccine against croup.

My son was born right at the time when the measles vaccine scare was at its height. There were SO many people around me saying not to give my child the vaccine. I did anyway, as I had both measles and mumps at points in my own childhood (fortunately I came through both with no issues but I still remember they were awful at the time).

Even though that study was totally discredited, it seems to have persisted in the minds of some people (and presumably their children too who are also now having their own kids). I know quite a few new parents who still believe what was said back then and have no idea it was all found to be wrong. And yes, when they go online looking for information, they end up using search terms that just back up what they heard and reinforce their worries.