To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

I'm not suprised at all.

I joined a gentle parenting group, only to find it full to the brim of anti-vaxxers. It beggars belief, these people serve ultra processed shite to their kids for tea, dye their hair and wear makeup.

But then refused to give their unwell children paracetamol or antibiotics. They won't put sunscreen on their kids or use toothpaste because they're full of chemicals, but happily force feed the kids shit like quorn nuggets and crisps all day instead of any real food.

Recently someone posted saying their child had a severe chest infection, they'd taken them to A and E and beencprescribed antibiotics, they didn't want to use them, could anyone reccomend a tincture or a herb that would work instead.

A lot of them aren't in mainstream education, they're being home educated (and unfortunately therefore mixing with my fully vaccinated child). And they aren't in mainstream education because their parents think that schools are indoctrination factories run by Bill Gates and big pharma.

I have many issues with schools, hence home educating my own DC, but that isn't one of them.

Those children I am referring to probably OUGHT to be in school so they have a chance of actually learning some proper science.

I'm also 50 and not vaccinated agaisnt measles or mumps and wouldn't expect anyone wale of my age to be, because as far as I know those, vaccines weren't part of regular childhood vaccines when we were children? I did have the rubella vaccine when I was 13 and was ill with measles and mumps as a child so have immunity from that (I did also have rubella before I was vaccinated).

We had a possible case of mumps at work and we were asked our vaccination status, and it was mentioned we could get the MMR vaccine if not vaccinated. Those of us old enough to to have had the actual diseases seemed to have been forgotten about as there was no mention that if you'd had them you don't need the MMR.

I’d like to see full vaccination be necessary to access schooling but sadly so many parts of the social contract are broken that I fear it would just lead to more parents deregistering their children and disappearing from the systems that are there to keep them safe.

I had exactly the same thought when reading the posts advocating for vaccination as a condition for schooling. People really think now's the time to try something like that?

@RegardingMary

"They won't put sunscreen on their kids or use toothpaste because they're full of chemicals, but happily force feed the kids shit like quorn nuggets and crisps all day instead of any real food."

Are they lacking even the basic scientific knowledge to know that the whole world (including them, all food/drink, all animals, all trees and plants, all of the air around us, all medicines, all so called natural or chemical free products, all books, all toys, etcétera, etcétera) is made completely of chemicals?

So do The Lancet. They published his dodgy “research” without checking it rigorously, they failed in their responsibility. The mainstream press picked it up from The Lancet.

Im one of those kids who had measles back in the day and left deaf in one ear BUT I did have the measles jab at the time. Good job wasn't more recent as all the holier than thou would be screaming at my mother about vaccines lol

My mother had TB and spent months in a sanatorium. She was treated with antibiotics. There was no vaccine back then. It was basically a death sentence before the BCG vaccine and streptomycine. Not many antivaxxers in that generation.

I caught measles , mumps and rubella - twice. Mumps can leave boys sterile if they catch it at or after puberty I think? And rubella of course can lead to pregnant women having children with various problems.

I often wonder if my sudden deafness in one ear later on was caused - even if indirectly - by one of these infections.

They usually use the word "toxins".

Honestly they are fruit loops and there is genuinely no reasoning with them.

If people want their kid to catch measles then thats on them.

The problem is when they spread it to kids who are too young to have been vaccinated or who can't have the vaccine for genuine medical reasons.

Are you suggesting it's 'holier than thou' to advocate for vaccination?
I hope not, because there's nothing holy about it.

I'm late 40s. Would I be vaccinated? My chicken are but it occurred to me I had no idea if I'd been done in my youth.

While I get the pandemic has had an impact, this is a secondary school ages 11 to 18, so it wouldn't be caused by that.

I think the COVID vaccine has massively increased the number of anti-vaxxers. They honestly think that vaccines make you ill and it's healthier not to vaccinate. The belief seems to go along part and parcel with orthorexic diets such as the carnivore diet where people can get really obsessed about the purity of their diet. Some vegans are anti-vax because vaccines sometimes involve animals in their production.

The original Andrew Wakefield paper that started it all never even suggested that the MMR caused autism. The paper only said that the measles virus was found in the gut of twelve autistic children who had bowel disease. All the fuss came from interviews and the media. The link has been completely disproven by studies involving huge numbers of children.

So potentially putting your child, and others (for example those who genuinely cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons or who are under vaccination age) in unnecessary danger is ok?

I find this worrying, my youngest son is only 2, and therefore hasn't had his second MMR.

I'm going to assume chicken is an autocorrect and you mean children?

Though, of course we should care for our chickens too.

(Please take this in the kind way I mean it, I'm smiling at you behind the screen).

I think even just the one dose is protective thankfully.

Can you be over boosted? Id not I wouldn't bother trying to find out, just get it done

Do they understand the actual definition of a toxin? Please don't tell me they think all chemicals are toxins?
(Aaargh don't get me started on chemical free nonsense......sorry......).

@LlynTegid single vaccines for MMR haven’t been available for 14/15 years, I paid for my children to have the MMR separately and my youngest (who’s now 15)was the one of the last children to be able to receive them.

The doctor at the private clinic we went to said we see in a few years cases of measles rising as parents who were comfortable with the single vaccines wont go for the MMR. He is right.

If they had kept the option of single vaccines around, many more children would be vaccinated.

if I had a child now, then I would be choosing MMR as vaccination is too important and we have so much more evidence showing there isn’t a link between MMR and autism.

That's fine. If they thought he needed 2 doses before then it would be on the schedule

One dose is definitely better than no dose, until the child is old enough for the booster.