To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

I dint know there was a vaccine for croup

It's also partly due to the high level of immigrants who have never been vaccinated.

There isn’t.

When the measles outbreak happened a few years before Covid I checked with my mum that I was vaccinated. Turns out I'm not.

Shes by no means an anti-vaxxer, I've been vaxed against everything else and my parents have had every covid and flu vax and booster offered. She said our family doctor advised against it! I'm 50! Madness really. They walk amongst us.

Stupid statement. Rubella can cause deafness (and other problems) in children and infertility if caught as an adult
Minimising the actual disease to diss the vaccine is the stance of the wilfully stupid

That's horrific. That poor poor woman.

Her poor mum. I am so sorry for them. It's beyond cruel

I've heard "measles is a mild childhood illness" from anti vaxxers a hundred times.

Requirement to have them done with proof from a doctor where I’m from otherwise your child couldn’t attend school.

I wasn’t vaccinated as a child and nearly died from whooping cough. My lungs are still affected. I vividly remember having measles. Tbf my older brother reacted scarily to his vaccine but not dangerously so.

My dm discouraged me from vaccinating my dc but I bloody well made sure they got their jabs. I can’t understand her thinking at all. I can see why she was reluctant to get me vaccinated but how had she not changed her mind?

A friend of mine was pregnant and discovered a child in her class had rubella - but as he wasn’t all that sick, his dps were sending him in anyway.

No there shouldn't be measles outbreaks. It's completely preventable. An excellent free vaccine is available to all.

However, there are too many idiots who don't vaccinate their children and put them at risk of lifelong disabilities.

If people want to put themselves at risk then I say let them. (Darwin award). However, sadly, mostly it's their children who suffer not the parents who made the stupid decision.

i think we can all agree that there a lot of people out there that:

aren’t well educated;
don’t follow any news beyond the gutter online press;
socialise and live amongst equally la king in education and readers of gutter online press

and they procreate

It has always been the case and always will be. Nothing can be done short of mandatory vaccination, which i don’t agree with. So… hopeless!

My parents were anti-vaxxers so I had NO childhood vaccines. I wish I could take them to court now for leaving me so vulnerable. I’m the complete opposite to anti vax, I LIKE to know I’m protected. I’ve travelled a lot so have had a fair amount.

Drs must be tearing their hair out dealing with very poorly children when it was entirely preventable.

Your inner child is wounded🤣

It can be mild, but it also can be very serious - do they think vaccines were only invented to make money or something, and not because these are serious illnesses? It's madness.

At my son's university there were a number of his friends who got their MMR vaccinations done while they were there. It was a regular topic of conversations and many of them did it quietly without telling their parents. This was a few years ago though, pre covid so I don't know if the same happens now.

This! Croup is a condition (or a symptom), not an infection. My fully vaccinated middle ds had it twice, and wasn't ill with anything at the time.

That's exactly what they think. It's honestly like trying to argue with a brick.

They're like it about everything unfortunately. I know one woman who refuses to have mammograms even though her mum, gran and sister all had breast cancer at a young age, because she thinks they will poison her body.

I discovered I'm not immune to rubella during ivf treatment and I could only find evidence that I received one MMR. Born late 80s.

Does anyone know if one MMR was standard at the time? Debating whether to get a booster.

@LakieLady you're spot on, if you'll forgive the pun. People see the toned down version you get after vax and think it's not serious, herd immunity so no huge outbreaks but all the childhood diseases are coming back if people don't vaccinate their DC. I'm still haunted by the childhood memory of a young man who caught polio and lived the rest of his life in an iron lung

This. Croup is a symptom rather than a disease. It can be caused by a number of illnesses so can't be vaccinated against. Some, but not all of the illnesses which cause croup are preventable with vaccination.

"Part of me wants us to bring in a rule that you can't enrol at a nursery or school without proof of vaccine or an exemption certificate from a medical professional if you can't have the vaccine for a medical reason. "

@OhhhhhhhhBiscuits some nurseries do already work like this. My son couldn't join unless the nursery had a photocopy of his Red book on the vaccine pages. Only a few years ago so recent too. I don't understand why all nurseries and schools don't do this! It would be much safer.

No, as with many many things the pandemic has exacerbated and catalysed issues that were already there. This one runs deeper and goes back to that evil man Wakefield. Vaccine coverage dropped to 80% in 2003-4 and was only recovering in the early 2010s. Those who were babies and children during the first wave of the Wakefield fraud are now young adults and many have never had catch-up jabs so vaccine coverage levels are low in universities and other social spaces where young adults congregate.

I’d like to see full vaccination be necessary to access schooling but sadly so many parts of the social contract are broken that I fear it would just lead to more parents deregistering their children and disappearing from the systems that are there to keep them safe.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/vaccination-coverage-for-children-and-mothers-1

@bakewellbride my Australian cousin was saying they do this in her state. If you’re not vaccinated you can’t get into any early years setting, and it works! Low rates of childhood illness where she is. Australians tend not to fuck about to be honest, politically.

Same as other thing we had got rid of like TB.

anti vaxers and immigration ( where vaccinations are not available etc)

I genuinely believe that unvaccinated children shouldn’t be allowed in mainstream education.

Can I just suggest those of you who used single vaccines to consider giving MMR now?

There were a lot of problems with the singles, they were imported and the refrigeration chain was sometimes broken.

It's possible your child was given a vaccine but that it was degraded so not effective.