To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

I had rubella vaccine in 1991, definitely not MMR, I had that in 2023!

Multi factorial.

Interestingly by 2016 vaccine uptake had increased sufficiently to 95%, I think, required for herd immunity. So it took nearly 20 years for some sort of recovery from Wakefield as the UK was declared a measles free country in 2016, that only lasted 1 year 😔

There are harder to reach communities who may not know that therev is a non porcine vaccine available, people for whom Englush is not their first language. NHS does a good job of trying to reach these communities, is upping its efforts massively now.

Mumps and rubella non-immunity are also an issue with unvaccinated people, following Wakefield, now in their child-bearing years

and that's exactly why herd immunity (i.e. community vaccination of a high level) is needed.

I remember not long after my son was diagnosed with autism aged 4 (he’s 21 now). One of the mums at the nursery said to me ah well that’s what happens when you give your child the MMR. I politely informed her that you can’t die from autism but you can die from the measles she wasn’t best pleased with my response and told me not to be so brutal. My dad and his twin brother had the measles when they were kids in the early 60s and had to be kept in dark rooms in the event they went blind. My sister also had the measles after she had been vaccinated but it turned out she most likely had them when she got vaccinated.

No they are not, that’s the problem!

I used to work with children with autism. Some of them had not had the MMR vaccine. I've known other autistic people that were unvaccinated as well. There is no link at all.

Some people are anti-vax and some don’t get round to it (can’t be bothered).

The fear for parents of autistic children is that a reaction to a vaccine may cause regression? It’s hard to prove if a vaccine could cause regression or not. My dd had a bad reaction to a vaccine, she was already going through diagnosis for autism so the vaccine did not cause her autism but she had a seizure which may have caused regression because seizures can cause regression.

This exact mentality is what really confided me when the nhs stopped doing the men c one with the initial vaccines and moved it to the 1yr ones as babies weren’t getting men c under a year I remember thinking but surely that’s because of the vaccine ??!!

*confused not confided

And on googling I can now see that men c will not even be given at 12 months soon and instead young children will be protected by hers immunity via teenagers having men acwy vaccines 😳 that worries me a bit !

My kids all had measles, my son got it first and caught it from a fully vaccinated child who had been abroad. In his class of 12, 3 other kids got it. Parents said they were vaccinated.
Son then passed it to my other kids. I had a blood test to check for immunity as I wasn’t vaccinated. I was immune but oddly don’t remember having measles and neither do my parents.
My kids were unwell but similar to chicken pox really. They were worse with tonsillitis tbh

The fear for parents of autistic children is that a reaction to a vaccine may cause regression? It’s hard to prove if a vaccine could cause regression or not. My dd had a bad reaction to a vaccine, she was already going through diagnosis for autism so the vaccine did not cause her autism but she had a seizure which may have caused regression because seizures can cause regression.

Yes this is true.

I’m wondering if this sudden outbreak is due to global travel…. Look how quickly covid spread around the globe… no country was unaffected. Measles was apparently irradiated in the U.K. in 2016… seems odd that senior age children (who weren’t vaccinated in 2016) would suddenly get it now but not as infants!
I’ve seen the horrible effects of these diseases, children born ‘normal’ who were both physically and mentally disabled after contracting the disease… my cousins testicles swelled & left him infertile…. Please vaccinate

It’s majorly down to the fact that the Muslim community do not want the vaccine because it contains pork gelatine. There is a vaccine which omits this but it is not widely known about I guess. Not sure why people haven’t read about this.

Vaccinated against croup?? I've never heard of this. My eldest child had all her vaccinations and caught croup.

@Sayingitstraight

A quick Google tells me there is and never has been a vaccine for croup. I do wish people wouldn't come on threads and just make shit up.

*is NOT and never has been

Not likely that's the point of the jab obviously nothing is 100% but the severity would be less too.

Not excusing the anti vaxx side, but not all children can be vaccinated. (I do realise this is the minority though)
I have 3 children and after my first suffered severely from a reaction to the injection, (which I also suffered from) we were advised by a consultant paediatrician, not to vaccinate our child further, or any others if we had other children.

In fairness to the poster you quoted, croup is a condition that results from a viral infection. You're right that you can't vaccinate against it - in the same way that you can't vaccinate against fevers, vomiting, etc - but you can vaccinate against some of things that cause it, and it might be that that was the doctor the PP overheard was referring to.

Which is why it is our responsibility to vaccinate all those children who can be vaccinated in order to provide the herd immunity to protect your children @Ctu24agent

Yep

It’s not currently an issue. Check out the statistics for measles on the .gov website. Up until covid years there were on average around 2000 cases per year over the preceding 19 years...some years as many as 6000 abs other years as few as 1100. In the past 12 months there have been around 1600 cases. During the covid years there were very few, I guess due to lack of mixing of people in general..:so since then number have increased for sure, but still far below average over the past 20 years.

That’s not evidence of no link. I am sure you know that some people get lung cancer who have never smoked in their lives. Does that prove there is no link between smoking and lung cancer? I don’t think anyone has ever claimed that autism is ONLY cause by vaccines. My own opinion is that the extremely high temps and seizures caused by some vaccines cause brain damage that goes on to be diagnosed as autism. I have no way of investigating it or proving it. It’s observational, like your observations which don’t prove anything either.