To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

I was born in the 70s and had the MMR aged about 12

@AllTheChaos MMR wasn't introduced in the UK until 1988 and I imagine was given to young children rather than pre-teens. Are you sure that's what you were given? I had the rubella vaccine around that age but it was a stand alone vaccine that only the girls got.

It was probably the rubella vaccine. They used to give to girls at around age 12 in the 70s and early 80s.

This is a slight rewriting of history. The controversy over the MMR predates Wakefield.

I had the rubella vaccine at 12 in 1984. MMR wasn't available - either at all, or in my area.

I had measles, mumps and German measles as a child, the latter two twice! Measles was the worst according to my mother, I was only 5 and I can't really remember having it. Fortunately I suffered no ill effects.

My aunt's eyesight was affected by having measles.

My younger sister had it too (pre vaccine) and it was awful, so distressing.

And now it is so rare that many doctors have never heard it. My friend caught it as an adult a few years ago and was hospitalised. It wasn't diagnosed at first because it is unusual but fear of vaccination and immigration from countries that don't offer the vaccine means that unvaccinated people are now at risk.

And that wanker made sure he could make some money out of it.

Would have been in ‘89 and I remember it being MMR because so many parents were freaking g out!

But I guess like me they'd had the illnesses without lasting ill effects so they didn't see the dangers.

It’s very depressing and it seems as though we’re going backwards. People must be very badly informed - perhaps they don’t understand why their children should be vaccinated or is it they don’t want their child to be given anything ‘toxic’? The government needs to spearhead a campaign. The daughter of a friend of my parents suffered permanent brain damage when she caught measles in the early 1960s as a toddler and has had to be cared for her entire life. Children can die of measles.

If a child is vaccinated can they catch measles from an unvaccinated child?

I just don't get this. I know a couple of people whom had measles as children - one is almost blind and the other deaf.
Why take these risks because of some conspiracy theory ?

You can still catch measles if you are vaccinated, but it is very rare, and it would also be much less severe.

Yes, this unfortunately. While there’s always been a small group of anti vaxxer types in society, the pandemic and the debates around Covid vaccine safety and effectiveness seem to have prompted a much larger group of people to question vaccinations more generally.

Because there are idiots out there who didn’t get vaccinated

I’m not surprised. My eldest is 18 and the fraudulent claim about MMR and autism was still fresh when he got his MMR jab. I know a few mums who either didn’t get the jab at all or went for individual ones.

Schools being measle-free is a sign of civilisation. The UK abandoned that when deciding European measures were unnecessary for them.

Sorry but that car analogy was used so much during Covid and is not remotely comparable.

Why? Because a seat belt is fastened across the outside of your body. A jab is injected into your body. Please tell me you know the difference!?

What on earth do you mean by that? UK policy on MMR vaccinations hasn't changed jn 20 years but it didn't stop us being measles free in the late 2010s

I once had a friend that didn’t do any of the vaccinations ‘because half these diseases barely exist anymore.’
…. Erm, yeah… because of the vaccines 🙃

If they know they haven’t had the vaccine, and don’t feel the same way as their parents, they can get it in adulthood if they want. I used to work at a university where the student health centre offered MMR to first years who hadn’t had it in childhood.

@IlsSortLaPlupartAuNuitMostly there are too many people not having their children vaccinated, some for religious reasons, other are just paranoid. I think those unvaccinated children bring a lot of risk to their daily environment : daycare or school. Therefore I think it is irresponsible to not impose vaccination on all children before they are of school-age at the latest. I know of a newborn (8 weeks old) who contracted measles from a non-vaccinated child in the same class as their older sibling. The baby survived but is now blind.

In the 1970s and 80s they used a vaccine found to not be that effective against measles. So in 1994ish they revaccinated children of school age with the cutoff of September 1977.

This meant that loads of people born in the late Seventies were not actually vaccinated fully. And this is the one they knew about.

Then we had all the fuss of the MMR with some parents choosing the separate vaccines which included the dodgy measles one above. This was not well documented.

So essentially we've created almost three generations of people not vaccinated properly against measles. Which doesn't even start to include those who didn't get vaccinated at all.

I caught mumps in my thirties and got offered the MMR which I gladly took so it's possible to have it at any age. It's worth noting that they realised you need both jabs for it to work effectively and many kids only ever had the one with the booster being missed.

Kids are now getting mumps, measles and rubella but I think measles is the easiest to spot.

Oh... And my ASD predates my jab by about thirty years 😂

The MMR doesn't work on about 5% of people. I'm not immune even though I've had it 4 times. I discovered this only when I got my bloods taken when I was pregnant with my 1st child. I got both MMR vaccines after I gave birth and I've found out that I'm not immune again with the bloods I've got taken from my second pregnancy.
If I wasn't pregnant then I wouldn't even know that I wasn't immune.