To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

"So frustrating. Are children who have been vaccinated safe from the threat?"

@LetMeOut2021 not 100%, no sadly. My fully vaccinated nephew caught Scarlett fever from nursery thanks to anti vaxxers. If everyone who could have these vaccines did have them it's almost an absolute certainty that we wouldn't have Scarlett fever affecting children at all. It makes me so mad!

There's no vaccine for scarlet fever is there?!

Oh yes, everyone assumes I'm an anti vaxx, anti science, tin foil hat wearing, lentil weaving, solstice hippy type. But TBF that type of person is massively over represented amongst home educating parents. I often wish more normal people would do it so I could have others to speak to 🤣.

True. But I have heard of ppl hoping the kids get chicken pox at the same time. Is it less serious?

Both Polio and Measles have post initial infections syndromes, so not just about the mild initial illness, but the potential for it to hit later. Measles can be mild initially, but the return for those infected early on in life is rare, but a killer, hence the need to vaccinate. We should be talking about children and adults here imo, as too many adults missed vaccinations, could have vaccinations that would prevent issues for health care later on, plus then a potential knock-on effect is it becoming common place for children.

Nope

@Fliopen no but Scarlett fever would still be gone because of the overall immunity boost from vaccines.

@IlsSortLaPlupartAuNuitMostly hello I know there is no specific vaccine against Scarlett fever but my point still stands. My husband who works in the nhs and has treated many, many critically ill children was actually the one who explained it all to me so I know that I'm right!

All I can say is I have cared for a SEVERELY disabled man who caught Measles before the vaccine was avaliable.

Anyone who does not get their child vaccinated against childhood illnesses is stupid

Chicken pox can be very serious, I think the UK is going to finally vaccinate for it, as other countries already do

FFS. Of course I read that people were being offered burgers, donuts and hookers if they had a vaccination but that is very different to coercing them with burgers, donuts and hookers. Do you not actually understand the difference or are you going to argue that there would have been some dire consequence to people if they had not accepted the burger or brothel session so that they were effectively coerced?

Are you seriously firing off questions to deflect from my one? 😂

We are having a surge in whooping cough in newborns here, which they believe is due to less pregnant women having the pertussis vaccine during pregnancy. It's horrible seeing the tiny babies unwell with something that could be prevented easily.

I will be honest, when I had my first years ago there was still the discussion around the MMR and autism, so I delayed her MMR, though she did have both vaccines. However after educating myself my others had it on schedule. I hate it when my children are ill and if I can reduce it at all I will.

If there's issues in secondary schools could it be immunity from the vaccinations has worn off for some ? It doesn't always last.

A lot of people stupidly believe that the vaccine could give their child Autism. Although I don't think it has been successfully fully proven yet; Autism is something a child is born with and as it's an umbrella term and every child is different, autism can go from being severe like being non verbal to very hard to detect but lots of people now believe that it is from birth so no vaccine could cause Autism

No.

I would say so. When you're pregnant you have your immunity to rubella tested. With my 1st and 2nd child I was still immune. By my 3rd I wasn't. When I tried to get another jab I was told they're prioritised for children!

Also I think the fact that we don't see these diseases often people dont realise how poorly they can make their children. We live in a society where child death from disease is rare (thankfully) thanks to vaccines . People have no idea of the risk .

Absolutely not.

This graph shows vaccine coverage in the UK. The current secondary school population were born between 2005 and 2012. Look how low the vaccine coverage was for those cohorts.

source: https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/vaccination-coverage-for-children-and-mothers-1

Back in early 1990's so many kids didn't get fully vaccinated and there are probably a lot of us around 30 years old now that don't even know we're not vaccinated. I think NHS should have a system of contacting everyone who missed out when they were young.

Somebody was arguing on FB that it's possible to live better by taking absolutely no medicines. When I questioned them on this, mentioning T1 diabetes and insulin as an example of an essential life saving medication, they told me I didn't know what I was talking about and that my degrees (in related areas) were meaningless because I had been 'indoctrinated'. They were unable to tell me what the 'natural' alternative to insulin was though.

Not only has no link been proven, the claim has been totally debunked over and over again.

Agree about adults - there were a lot of families in the mid/late 1990s who did not give their DC the MMR (because that was the height of the controversy, and the further research which led to detailed debunking of Wakefield was still underway) and from 1997 they could no longer immunise singly (the timing of expiration of that licence must have been one of the unluckiest public health events in recent history)

Some parents of course went on to catch-up their DCs jabs when the debunking was complete. But as measles rates were low (and no-one ever seems to think about rubella or mumps), I'm ready to bet that a lot never thought about it let alone did it. Some would of course have taken up the university based catch-up scheme in more recent years. But I think it's unfortunately likely that there remains a large pool of unvaccinated people that age.

Who are now having babies themselves, and whose infants will not benefit from maternal antibodies to measles, so will be at considerably greater risk in their first year of life

No he doesn’t he had legitimate concerns which were shut down.
we went with single jabs.

Who? Wakefield?