To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

I genuinely wish that laws were stricter. It should be law that if you send your children to state schools you MUST get the vaccinated. If you don't want to for religious reasons then send them to private schools. I know it's harsh but I'm so tired of people doing whatever they want because of some BS social media they've seen. For society to function we have LAWS. We have laws on how fast you can drive your car, wearing restraints, etc etc.

I'm so tired of hearing antivaxx bullshit because every single person I've talked to has NO knowledge of real vaccine failures and only talk about stuff that has been disproven like Andrew Wakefield.

We moved to American a year before the pandemic to get away from DV and then I was confronted with having a child with some developmental delays that had his 2nd MMR vaccine early because there was a measles outbreak in SE London where we lived - and people asking if I thought he was AUTISTIC because he had the MMR. And calling me abusive for giving him the covid vaccine and having him wear face masks. Meanwhile there are very specific reasons why he had delays. And me? I had a bad reaction after the 2nd covid shot which required an urgent care visit and contacting the CDC in america. And finally I had to got to a haematologist for so many tests I lost count (fainted twice when they did many tests at once). And the reason I had a reaction is because I have a rare condition which wasn't clearly diagnosed. AND the reaction makes me PROOF that the covid vaccine I got was doing exactly what it was supposed to do!! I'm posting any more detail because it's so rare it could identify me. But every time I start telling someone remotely suspicious about what happened they immediately jump to the conclusion that the covid19 vaccine was bad and harmed me. And that can't be further from the truth. When I try to explain they seem to go spontaneously deaf because you know...SCIENCE.

I forgot to get the flu jab this year. I was so depressed before Christmas I just forgot. And of course I got the flu and was quite ill. Worse than covid. And my child who got the shot at school? He was mildly sick for 2 days.

Get the damn MMR.

DS had his MMR when the Andrew Wakefield 'study' was still centre-stage news. Of ante-natal group (very MC), we were the only ones to get baby vaccinated. I got the impression that a lot of them felt they knew better than the public health experts.

That view seems to have lingered and been compounded by the anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists in recent years.

Sure I've read that generally WC parents are more compliant about such things.

I and my children are fully vaccinated - I only got my MMR last year - but I don't feel comfortable forcing people to be vaccinated. We should still be allowed autonomy over what happens with our bodies.

@WhalePolo, I think the determined anti-vaxxers are just upset that it is not about them, but about nurses, doctors and scientists instead.

They'll soon change their tune once polio hits 🤷🏻‍♀️

So frustrating. Are children who have been vaccinated safe from the threat?

^^This - 100%

I agree with this.

A DC has a right to an education, no matter how wrong headed the parents. But families don't have the right to any particular level of state benefits or to state education outside that provided whilst a DC is of compulsory school age

London had a polio "catch up" campaign in 2023, because higher than normal levels of shed polio had been found in sewerage.

Polio is a mild illness in most, with horrible complications for the unlucky (bit like measles)

Being offered an incentive for doing something is not the same as being coerced into doing it.🙄

In the US people were offered free burgers, donuts and even free sex sessions in brothels if they gor vaccinated. It was fairly well advertised at the time
No, you weren't wrong

How does ONE brothel in Austria offering men a free 30 min 'session' if they got vaccinated on site ( to try and mitigate the loss of $$$ due to a government mandate preventing unvaccinated citizens from going to any public/indoor place ) translate to "In the US you got free sex sessions in brothels...?" And where was this "fairly well advertised?" 🙄

Your child's body is not your body though.

Compelling vaccination with removal of benefits or access to childcare/school is a sign that your public health campaigns have failed.
Telling people that they are wrong and stupid for being vaccine hesitant doesn't change their minds.

Compelling vaccination with removal of benefits or access to childcare/school is a sign that your public health campaigns have failed.

I doubt that any well thought out public health campaign is ever going to convince a staunch member of the tin hat brigade to vaccinate their children @Digimoor

I think children have to be educated in biology lessons about vaccination. Although some home educated children will miss this.

FFS I was backing up a pp assertion that people were coerced by the offer of burgers and hookers AND threatened with job loss. Surely you don't need me to provide a link for that too? I mean it was only 2 years ago and that was even more widely publicised than the burgers, donuts and hookers. Can you genuinely not remember that happening? Do you know who the current prime minister is?

There’s a fair amount of overlap between anti-vaxxers and advocates of extreme “natural parenting” - the idea being that anything “natural” is good and anything “artificial” is bad. There is a lot of suspicion about science in general amongst these parents because they see it as artificial.

Some anti-vaxxers claim you can tell a child who hasn’t been vaccinated because they’re brighter and sharper and there’s a light in their eyes that vaccinated kids don’t have. I wish I was making this up.

I think people don’t see these diseases anymore and they don’t understand just how awful they can be. I know it’s harsh but people are stupid and believe whatever BS they read on social media.

I want to see advertising similar to what you see on cigarette packets. Hopefully then that will shock people into vaccinating.

This shit was in the tabloids both in the UK and abroad, all over twitter, facebook, tik tok, even threads on MUMSNET about this stuff. Can you genuinely not remember any of these things happening? You can't remember people being threatened with losing their jobs either? What about vaccine passports? Do you remember those?

Who decided who got what? A burger or donut doesn’t sound too different to a biscuit given to a blood donor. A session at a brothel, on the other hand . . .

Some anti-vaxxers claim you can tell a child who hasn’t been vaccinated because they’re brighter and sharper and there’s a light in their eyes that vaccinated kids don’t have. I wish I was making this up.

I'll tell that to my academically bright DD with a first class biological sciences degree. Her response would be unprintable.

This sort of utter bullshit is rampant in the home education community. It's the only thing I don't like about home educating.

Frankly the unvaccinated kids are almost always a PITA because they're also the ones whose parents set no boundaries with them.

I do wonder whether those over 40/50 ish ? Have natural immunity or are now at risk.

I thought I had some kind of natural immunity to chickenpox until I caught chickenpox at 36. A family friend caught it in his 50s and it’s definitely true that it’s worse as an adult. For a girl to get rubella as a child just meant she wasn’t going to get it when pregnant.

My home educated child is 8 and already knows about vaccines and how they work. A rigorous grounding in Science is extremely important to us. Sadly I can't say the same for all home educating parents.

Goodness, that’s interesting - thanks! I’ve often wondered where she got her ideas. No prizes for guessing the ‘4.30 from Paddington’ though - she was surely on a train at night, another passed very close, all lit up, and she thought, ‘What if….?’
All closed compartments in those days - it wouldn’t work now!

You sound like a fantastic parent @Fliopen, and I bet you get frustrated at being tarred with the same brush as other people who home "educate" their children.