To think there shouldn't be measles outbreaks?

[fatandhappy47]

Surely we shouldn't be having an issue with measles?
Had an email from school (secondary) 'reminding' us to keep kids off with measles, which got me thinking

All my kids band my friends kids of the same age had their MMR (however my youngest did get measles before this)

So why is it an issue in secondary schools of all places? Are people just not vaccinating their kids?

He should be in jail, in my opinion. He has caused this

It's not that it's "lots of people believe it is from birth", it IS from birth. Autism isn't something you can catch or develop as a result of something. It's literally in the make up of the person's body - like the wiring of a computer. The cause of those differences is the thing that hasn't been definitively proven, not that it might come about after birth.

Autism is genetic. An autistic child will almost always have at least one autistic parent.

There were no measles parties. That poster is either misled herself or deliberately misleading us.

Measles parties were definitely a thing at one time. That does not, of course mean that they were a good or a sensible thing. I am guessing that vaccines were not used then.

Measles can kill or seriously disable you. Not vaccinating is madness. I don't understand those who prefer to take the risk.

Not in the UK

I assure you that there were NEVER “ Measles parties “
True measles is a very serious viral infection that can kill and disable a child.

Ask the older people who have had true measles- It’s not a disease to be taken lightly

Look up the deaths from it.

Who had legitimate concerns?

Do measles vaccines provide maternal antibodies?

I think you misunderstood me - I am aware of that being debunked and want to get my daughter vaccinated when I am able to. I’m simply commenting that this is what other mums are afraid of, in response to the pp who said they didn’t think this was the case anymore. A link was made and people still believe it.

Something we learned in the hospital I work in is that there are some cultures that are anti vax because they’re very distrustful of medics with legitimate reasons. Going back to how Polish people were treated and tested on during world war 2, Polish communities are less likely to get vaccinated. It’s an interesting concept but calling people scum is really not pleasant and doesn’t understand the route of the issue and the history. People do what they think is right for their dc so how do we educate?

I assure you that there were NEVER “ Measles parties

There were - there are articles about it.

amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2001/jul/26/healthandwellbeing.health

Not measles

There were for chicken pox. And also for German measles, but those stopped once the jab came out (only for girls, until MMR). Because it was felt that catching those was inevitable, so you may as well get them out of the way at a time that wasn't too inconvenient - and you definitely wanted your girls to have had rubella before reaching childbearing age.

But measles, like polio, was one you didn't want your DC to have, because the consequences could be so much worse. It was one thing to brace yourself that they may well get it (especially measles, as it is so very infectious) but not something you'd want to live with the thought that you'd done something that made it happen.

(references online are from decades after the purported events, and garble german measles for measles)

It's difficult for some Brits to keep the former colonies straight.

My daughter caught measles (we assume from school) she was fully vaccinated. When I told the school she had it albeit mildly thank goodness they said she could still go in. Public health spoke to them as that is completely incorrect!

@Scaevola

amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2001/jul/26/healthandwellbeing.health

I had measles as a young child ( no vaccine then for it)
It swept round the reception class like wildfire , children falling like ninepins.

It’s a horrible virus that no loving parent would put their child through because of being an “ Anti vaxxer “.
That’s tinfoil hat territory.

Roald Dahl's daughter died of complications connected to measles. Grim.

Public health England stopped rubella screening in 2016. You can't be vaccinated during pregnancy, we used to offer the vaccination to postnatal women as they left the hospital.

Did you have actual rubella or the vaccine, Betty?

This journalist is confused with “ German” measles ( Rubella) parties.
German Measles is not True Measles

They are very easily confused because of the name.

We are talking about two or three generations ago now, so I don't believe that Polish people or people of Polish descent are any more distrustful of the medical profession than anyone else. We don't live in a Nazi regime.

I agree that calling people unable to understand the science of vaccinations or incapable of critical thinking scum is unacceptablee.

Yes as I said the kids that I know who’ve had measles as teens or young adults were all vaccinated.

The problem is that most people in the UK, today haven't seen a case of measles to know how horrible it is. And that's because most people do vaccinate.

There seems to have been this wave of people no longer believing in science. Which of course, is crazy.

It's my personal view that the government wouldn't be spending all the money they do on childhood vaccination programmes if they did not work.

That Guardian article is just plain wrong about measles parties in the 1950s. The rest of the info is ok but measles parties were NOT a thing. It's the most infectious disease around and most children were kept away from it, plus it's a notifiable disease ie not one you'd be keen to have.

My brother was in hospital for a fortnight with measles- oxygen etc and it affected his hearing. I had it mildly in comparison.

1950s parents knew the dangers of infectious diseases considering some of their contemporaries hadn't survived what are now unheard of diseases. Unheard of because vaccination has stopped them in their tracks.

Oh and I never heard of chickenpox parties either. Stupid idea if they did happen but certainly not in my neck of the woods.