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I'm apoplectic with rage for my assistant

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jennyswoke · 19/01/2024 23:12

I can't even explain why I'm so full of rage because it's not my business but we work closely in our office.
She is a wonderful worker, mother , runs the home and everything in between ..

He works full time on shift. Earns big money. Pays the bills.

BUT she in anger told him how overwhelmed she was raising their kids single handedly , running the home single handedly, working around her kids nursery and school hours . On call single handedly for sick kids and appointments .

He told her to get up earlier if she was that stressed.

That's it folks.

He is not alone or unusual.
One post after another here is representative of this.
These fucking men.
They make me vomit.
Sadly she has no legal rights as she is not married to this prick.
Never been so happy to be divorced .
Pig

OP posts:
BeauSignoles · 20/01/2024 01:46

The comments on this thread show just how much women are willing to put up with to be in a relationship. Depressing. Raise your bar, people!

WandaWonder · 20/01/2024 01:47

femfemlicious · 20/01/2024 01:44

She said he does NOTHING and is out watching football at the weekend!

So unless the children are twins first born comes along, women does it 'all' man does 'nothing'

So why on earth have more children?

femfemlicious · 20/01/2024 01:48

Whadayaknow · 20/01/2024 01:16

It’s hard for women who’ve never had to deal with a grown up male arse to know how much shit comes out of it…..sorry to be crass, that’s a new low level of petty male behaviour even for this place…imagine if a woman tried that, she would be slaughtered for being an awful person.

In this chat is all about just making the man do it, it’s not that bloody easy. ❤️

They keep talking about he "should be" and I'd make him". How do you force a person to do what they just won't do. Me ex husband left my twins with shitty nappies when I relished out to pick up an order one morning. He REFUSED to change it till I came back. Left them alone in the living room like they were not his problem 😭

femfemlicious · 20/01/2024 01:50

Lord help me ...brought back some horrible memories 😭😭😭. How did I end up married to such a beast?

AllTheChaos · 20/01/2024 02:37

All the posters asking why she didn’t get married, or saying it doesn’t affect her rights, or she should have known what he was like… My ex always said he wanted to get married and have children. For years and years. But not to get married if we couldn’t have children as he knew having children (or rather, not having them), was his dealbreaker. Thanks to various medical issues it took several years to have our DD. Found out I was pregnant v late - had actually been told by my doctor that it wasn’t possible I was! Only had a couple of months to get everything ready and prepare for parenthood. It was a whirlwind, no way a wedding could have happened (no availability at the local registry office and I was pretty much on bed rest anyway). He walked out when she was less than a week old. Realised that marriage and children weren’t for him after all. Self employed, all earnings went through off shore accounts for tax purposes, so it was easy for him to make it look like he earned very little. So no, not having been married, legally I got nothing. And I was utterly, utterly blindsided by how the decent, honest, kind man I’d been with for more than a decade, turned into the opposite. Turned out he’d met someone else just before we found out I was pregnant, but waited to leave till the baby was born, as he felt guilty. So. Yeah. Not being married can mean the father gets off scot free unfortunately.

fussygalore118 · 20/01/2024 02:57

What enraging is that she has put up with that behaviour and had children with him.

Why the fuck have kids with a man child.

Itwasafterallallaboutme · 20/01/2024 03:09

@jennyswoke Thank you for caring about a fellow human being who you obviously know quite well. You then have enough compassion left over to feel some concern for all those others who end up finding themselves in similar situations OP. I think that that makes you an extra special person jennyswoke because I am sure that your life will have it's own ups and downs, and so many of us these days just concern ourselves with our own problems, and feel that we can feel superficially sorry for others, but we don't actually have the energy left to have any real compassion for them - well that is what we tell ourselves anyway.

I have to admit to being very surprised by the number of posters having a go at you here OP, have we had a sudden heavy influx of men on the site, or just what is going on?
I ask because your opening post was lovely and caring in the way you were standing up for/feeling very bad for, a friend or acquaintance, who is a female with children (just like the people Mumsnett was established to represent), but who has a selfish arse as a partner.

So many of the PPs are behaving as if a "romantic" partnership is - and should be - only a business (and not even a moral) partnership. I don't believe that it should be a box ticking exercise with each person doing exactly the same amount of anything, whether that is earning the same amount of money as each other, working the same amount of hours on a paying job or a domestic one, or contracting that so many hours of M earning £XXX,00 per hour is equivalent to F caring for any and all children per every 3 hours, whilst also doing all the housework, shopping, cooking, nursing, and chauffeuring etc during each of those sets of 3 hours (figures loosely based on M working an 8 hour day).

There are so many other variables to take into account - far too many to be listed here - and those variables include financial considerations from both parties, physical and mental health pertaining to both parties, general needs and wants for both parties, but above all, the two most inportant things that any "romantic" partnership should, in fact, must have, and to be shared equally if the partnership is going to work survive, and thrive, is of course respect and love for each other. I think you probably agree with at least quite a lot of what I have said here Jennyswoke?

I firmly believe that the most unfair thing about the couple the OP is talking about, and the crux of the matter is that the poor lady seems to receive no respect from her partner, and very little - if any - real, unselfish, compassionate, love from him. If he had any of those feelings for his partner, he would see how much she is struggling, and therefore take a large amount of the physical hard work off her, and alleviate what I expect is an even harder, mental load. He can do some or all of the physical part by paying for domestic help if he wants, but he needs to step up immediately to at least halve her mental load, eg. involving himself in the actual mechanics of bringing up their children, and discussing them in positive and supportive ways with his partner, and he needs to spend a lot more time as a family man with his partner and children, and alot less time as a single man pratting around with his equally immature mates.

101Nutella · 20/01/2024 03:23

its so depressingly common.

I do think there are shades of this visible in relationships before you have kids though and then it gets so much worse.

be angry but not so much that she can’t come to confide in you. You can support her to do marginal gains eg outsourcing cleaning/child care if she wants/ making sure she carves out hobby time (not going on a solo food shop!)/ preparing herself financially to LTB!

nothing is forever. She’s got time yet for a happy ending in this story. With or without this manchild.

user1492757084 · 20/01/2024 03:41

The husband is pulling his weight and working hard and making good money.
The Op is tired and thinks she does more work when the household work and childcare is taken into account.
She should tabulate that to be accurate..

It doesn't really matter who does more work. What matters is that each helps the other out when they are over tired, ill or stressed.

I think Op should have quit with the anger.
Her partner has no idea that she is not coping unless she tells him. He is not a mind reader. He has no idea how to help unless Op spells it out and specifically asks for more assistance and discusses it in a rational and calm way.
Would he have helped had Op not been enraged???

She could ask him to take the kids for part of every weekend. She should also pay a babysitter and go out to the pub with partner regularly. She could pay for a cleaner every fortnight to deep clean kitchen and bathroom and she could leave DP's washing for him to organise. Buy a robot vaccume cleaner. Simplify food menu and purchasing. All of these things could be done calmly, with no feelings of resentment.

DP gets up early every day and was caught off guard with Op's anger when he, too, is possibly tired. Thus, the insensitive and unreasonable reaction. Unless he genuinesly thinks getting up early is stress relieving. (My husband would agree and does this.)

If Op can't calmly work out a way to cope (engage DP's help, pay to oursource more cleaning) then she has to change her situation...
She could leave and work out new arrangements; she could work full time and pay 50/50 for childcare; she could drop to nil work hours and have more time to do family work but have to rely on DP wage for everything.

Alcyoneus · 20/01/2024 03:46

Why not outsource stuff if it’s a high income household?

And what with the ‘bottom line’ on every other post by OP? Is it some new feature in MN?

Itwasafterallallaboutme · 20/01/2024 03:55

fussygalore118 · 20/01/2024 02:57

What enraging is that she has put up with that behaviour and had children with him.

Why the fuck have kids with a man child.

@fussygalore118
Have you never heard of, or met anyone, in this case a man most often a man, who can keep up quite an act until they have the person they decided would fit their "vacancy" sufficiently well enough, to have a child with? They therefore think (and are probably correct) that their chosen person has fallen for their "charms", and then become trapped when they realised the truth, but only after having a child with their "abductor"

He - it is a he in this case - could then relax, because he has achieved the goal that society/his family/he himself expects of him. He can now show his true colours as - unfortunately - like too many other female partners who have already invested so much into their now apparent one sided relationships, his partner will probably imagine freeing herself and their first child will be so difficult, and as hard as maybe, swimming the Atlantic from Ireland to Canada, which they know they probably wouldn't survive if they attempted it! (Other images are available...). So generally speaking the trapped Mums often try to convince themselves that their dear partner has lots of good points, he keeps them and their children warm and fed, he is quite good in bed - if a tad selfish - so, she will make herself believe that he is still lovable, she does still want to be with him and have more of his children...

Many of us can't stand liers, not realising that the person who tells us the biggest lies, is ourselves - so many of us are experts at that. But that doesn't mean that we should be vilified by our peers for doing so.

Swoopingfantails · 20/01/2024 04:24

People make dreadful choices and their lives reflect that. Your assistant had children without being married and without being a joint owner of the house. He could throw her out with nothing tomorrow if he wanted. She then doubled down with a low paid part-time job handicapping her future career prospects and future pension. I'm willing to bet there is no will and no life insurance for her if something should happen to him. You simply can't save people from their own stupidity and poor choices.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 20/01/2024 04:38

TinselTitts · 19/01/2024 23:22

Do you often get apoplectic with rage when you hear tiny little titbits from someone else's relationship arguments?

I'd be more apoplectic if I thought I'd shared that with someone and then discovered I've become the subject of a public internet thread.

Edited

Do you often ask goady and unhelpful questions on internet forums?

mjf981 · 20/01/2024 05:20

What an extreme reaction. Get a grip. Honestly, the hyperbole on here sometimes does my head in.

Zanatdy · 20/01/2024 05:23

Anyone who thinks it’s acceptable their partner does nothing because he works 40hrs needs to raise their bar. I work 40hrs a week, and do everything else because I’m a single parent. I don’t know why she’s with this lazy idiot

WandaWonder · 20/01/2024 05:30

If two people have sex and produce a child they are equally responsible for ensuring that child is raised in a way that is good for that child, and if that includes making wise choices then both parents are equally responsible for biological parents or not

Maybe not for the op but the 'let's bring a random person into a child's life because I am desperate for a relationship' and takes no responsibility for that choice of new partner

strawberrysea · 20/01/2024 05:45

Deathbyfluffy · 19/01/2024 23:16

Ah yes, another man hating thread! Just what we need.
There’s plenty of shitty women in the world too, but let’s not let that get in the way of a good anti-man rant 🙃

Why are there so many man defenders on Mumsnet? What OP states is true, the majority of men are useless fathers and don't do anything in the home. It's up to men to change their reputation.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/01/2024 06:09

user1492757084 · 20/01/2024 03:41

The husband is pulling his weight and working hard and making good money.
The Op is tired and thinks she does more work when the household work and childcare is taken into account.
She should tabulate that to be accurate..

It doesn't really matter who does more work. What matters is that each helps the other out when they are over tired, ill or stressed.

I think Op should have quit with the anger.
Her partner has no idea that she is not coping unless she tells him. He is not a mind reader. He has no idea how to help unless Op spells it out and specifically asks for more assistance and discusses it in a rational and calm way.
Would he have helped had Op not been enraged???

She could ask him to take the kids for part of every weekend. She should also pay a babysitter and go out to the pub with partner regularly. She could pay for a cleaner every fortnight to deep clean kitchen and bathroom and she could leave DP's washing for him to organise. Buy a robot vaccume cleaner. Simplify food menu and purchasing. All of these things could be done calmly, with no feelings of resentment.

DP gets up early every day and was caught off guard with Op's anger when he, too, is possibly tired. Thus, the insensitive and unreasonable reaction. Unless he genuinesly thinks getting up early is stress relieving. (My husband would agree and does this.)

If Op can't calmly work out a way to cope (engage DP's help, pay to oursource more cleaning) then she has to change her situation...
She could leave and work out new arrangements; she could work full time and pay 50/50 for childcare; she could drop to nil work hours and have more time to do family work but have to rely on DP wage for everything.

Edited

He is not the woman’s husband. It says it in the op. As does that she has no protection because of it. An important distinction.

pointbreak77 · 20/01/2024 06:20

It’s all well and good sticking the knife in and saying the woman was stupid for having children with him, but no one wants to discuss the fact of how NIORMALISED it is in some pockets of society and how things haven’t really moved on at all. It’s EXPECTED of men to not do anything around the house, that their job as the “breadwinner” excuses them of any “pink jobs”. The woman cooks the Sunday roast while the husbands down the pub etc.
I myself have had to deal with numerous comments from family over the years about how “lucky” I am that DH cooks all the meals, like he is somehow doing ME a favour by being a contributing member of the household despite us both working.

snowmobileon · 20/01/2024 06:37

Deathbyfluffy · 19/01/2024 23:16

Ah yes, another man hating thread! Just what we need.
There’s plenty of shitty women in the world too, but let’s not let that get in the way of a good anti-man rant 🙃

Aah yes because there’s so many women fucking their assistants, hitting or killing their partners , paying women less for doing the same job as a man, sitting on their arse while wifey takes care of the children he has……. I could go on but I’m sure you get it. There is still no equality and that is because men like it that way. Simples

willWillSmithsmith · 20/01/2024 06:38

jennyswoke · 19/01/2024 23:20

@Deathbyfluffy
This is not a man hating thread.
This is a thread about a useless, nasty , lazy partner and father who expects his partner to run everyone's life because she works 20 hours to his 40.
Fucking hell, the bar is low if you think this is ok

I’m not defending him (already have a well paid ex to know how pompous they can be) but if he’s working 40 hours and she’s working 20 hours then surely it’s not completely unreasonable that she has 20 more hours to fill before she can argue any unfairness?

LiarLiarKnickersAblaze · 20/01/2024 06:38

OP, you’re right.

You posted on Mumsnet at the trolling hour.

This is the third example of sexism I’ve seen this week that makes me think we’re going back in time. Lovely job, ladies.

anotherside · 20/01/2024 06:39

Same. He's clearly not great. But I do agree with this

I suspect some women are initially attracted to the very qualities in a male partner that 5-10 years down the line make their life unsatisfactory. Eg, confidence (arrogance), knows what he wants (selfish), masculine/one of the lads (conservative values/sexist), good job status (will always prioritise over child resposibiltiies) and so on … society still has a deeply ingrained attitude into what a successful man or woman looks like. And of course billions of years of evolution has ingrained certain traits that were super useful when holed up in a cave or trekking across Africa, but of less utility in the 21st century. But the animal mind can’t always differentiate between them. Men often face similar problems in choosing a life partner of course.

snowmobileon · 20/01/2024 06:45

BeauSignoles · 20/01/2024 01:46

The comments on this thread show just how much women are willing to put up with to be in a relationship. Depressing. Raise your bar, people!

This. Let’s have some more self respect ladies.

SouthEastCoast · 20/01/2024 06:57

How depressing is this thread to read… it’s possible to feel sad for this colleague of OP while also accepting that she made those choices.
it’s ok to be outraged with her situation without blaming her for getting into it.
we should be disgusted that there are still so many men like this out there, not defend them.
how weird

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