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ashley cains new baby name so disrepecful!

228 replies

Ginger89 · 19/01/2024 04:54

my heart dropped for Saf tonight. AIBU to be absolutely raging for a stranger at the level of disrespect???!!

OP posts:
betterangels · 19/01/2024 12:15

She still has her daughter's name, since this isn't the same name.

SgtJuneAckland · 19/01/2024 12:21

This is a really odd thread.

I don't know any of these people but if he's had a baby with his ex partner's friend while telling original partner he wanted to have another baby with her that's awful.
BUT what's that got to do with names ? Aliyas and Azaylia are no more alike than Andrew and Annabel. Family middle names are also a thing for some people.

SwingTheMonkey · 19/01/2024 12:27

It was hardly the romance of the century in the first place. It can’t come as any surprise to anyone that he’s been shagging around? He still has the right to name his baby whatever he wants, even if he behaves like an absolute bell end to his partners.

momonpurpose · 19/01/2024 12:29

Zanatdy · 19/01/2024 05:30

He commented on the post to say it goes back a few generations choosing an A name for a child and Diamond is his grandmothers name (or some family member) so it came from his side of the family and I can understand why he wanted to use it again. If he was still with Saf no-one would bat an eyelid using a name to honour a sibling. Because he’s not with her anymore doesn’t mean he shouldn’t honour his daughter.

The first name though, he could have chosen something that was a bit further away from Azalyia. I’m sure Saf is hurting regardless of the name

My aunt was named Sara after her sister Sara who died of dysentery. This was in the 1920's. It happened a lot in those days I've heard. My sister and I thought it was creepy but apparently this was a common practice.

melj1213 · 19/01/2024 12:30

YABU - I have no idea who these people are but the names Aliyas and Azaylia are totally different.

It would be one thing if it was Alexander/Alexandra as they are very similar names or Ashley/Ashleigh as they are the same name just a different spelling but using the name Aliyas is no different to calling their child Andrew or Alistair as the only similarity to Azaylia is that it begins with an A, otherwise they are totally different names.

GreenWalls22 · 19/01/2024 12:48

melj1213 · 19/01/2024 12:30

YABU - I have no idea who these people are but the names Aliyas and Azaylia are totally different.

It would be one thing if it was Alexander/Alexandra as they are very similar names or Ashley/Ashleigh as they are the same name just a different spelling but using the name Aliyas is no different to calling their child Andrew or Alistair as the only similarity to Azaylia is that it begins with an A, otherwise they are totally different names.

Aliyas and Azaylia

They are not totally different names at all. they sound very similar, share letters in a similar order and have a very similar phonetic sound.

SoupDragon · 19/01/2024 12:53

GreenWalls22 · 19/01/2024 12:48

Aliyas and Azaylia

They are not totally different names at all. they sound very similar, share letters in a similar order and have a very similar phonetic sound.

They sound absolutely nothing alike.

HappyQuinn · 19/01/2024 13:22

Gabriella83 · 19/01/2024 09:10

Aliyas is very similar to Azaylia spelled backwards

I mean, Eva is very similar to Dave spelt backwards, but they're entirely different names...

pointbreak77 · 19/01/2024 14:12

I see why people think its similar - A Y and ending in A. They also share the same middle name.

You cant deny its in the same ballpark of names and why the first partner may struggle with this,

SoupDragon · 19/01/2024 14:43

pointbreak77 · 19/01/2024 14:12

I see why people think its similar - A Y and ending in A. They also share the same middle name.

You cant deny its in the same ballpark of names and why the first partner may struggle with this,

Aliyas doesn't end in A

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 19/01/2024 14:52

People are saying it's not similar as if the father didn't choose a name intending for it to be similar to his daughter's, for whatever reason he did.

He chose it. He's defended his choice. But to say they're not similar when he quite literally used the exact same middle name?

He's not going to call his new son Azayliah, obviously, but he still chose a name that sounded similar.

He chose it.

And some of you are arguing that he didn't.

pointbreak77 · 19/01/2024 14:52

SoupDragon · 19/01/2024 14:43

Aliyas doesn't end in A

Same sounds though. AzayliAH. AliYAs.

Its disingenuous to say the names are not similar.

SwingTheMonkey · 19/01/2024 14:58

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 19/01/2024 14:52

People are saying it's not similar as if the father didn't choose a name intending for it to be similar to his daughter's, for whatever reason he did.

He chose it. He's defended his choice. But to say they're not similar when he quite literally used the exact same middle name?

He's not going to call his new son Azayliah, obviously, but he still chose a name that sounded similar.

He chose it.

And some of you are arguing that he didn't.

Aliyas doesnt sound anything like Azayliah, other than they both start with an A.

Hes quite entitled to use any name he pleases. If he wants to honour his child by using the same middle name, that’s completely up to him.

user1471600850 · 19/01/2024 15:34

Please stop this thread - he has just explained that Diamond is a family middle name that goes back decades from his Grandpa and so is a first name beginning with A - 'A' is a family tradition, being the first letter of my father's and all of my uncles first names. Just stop criticising some thing you know nothing about! Find a different post to vent on please.

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 19/01/2024 15:38

@SwingTheMonkey

Why even bother replying to my post with that.

HE CHOSE a name to 'honour' his DD so how can it NOT be similar?

PosyPrettyToes · 19/01/2024 15:45

I'd argue that it's more disrespectful for someone to berate a bereaved father over the choices he makes for his new baby......

Also, it's not the same name. And there were family reasons for his choice.

If the first baby had been named after his ex's family traditions and he carried those over to his second with someone else, then fair enough but that's not what's happened here.

Might I suggest you look at getting a hobby or something...?

SwingTheMonkey · 19/01/2024 16:00

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 19/01/2024 15:38

@SwingTheMonkey

Why even bother replying to my post with that.

HE CHOSE a name to 'honour' his DD so how can it NOT be similar?

I’ll reply with anything I like, thank you.

The first names don’t sound the same. At all.

The middle name is the same, and he’s entitled to use it if he wants.

It’s absolutely fuck all to do with anyone else.

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 19/01/2024 16:07

Your coming across argumentative for no reason.

He chose the name to honour his daughter.

He WANTS it to be similar.

He had the right to do so.

The end.

Have a nice day, hun. Make a cup of tea and relax, because nobody is disagreeing that it's his choice.

SwingTheMonkey · 19/01/2024 16:09

MilitantMommyBFArmy4Life · 19/01/2024 16:07

Your coming across argumentative for no reason.

He chose the name to honour his daughter.

He WANTS it to be similar.

He had the right to do so.

The end.

Have a nice day, hun. Make a cup of tea and relax, because nobody is disagreeing that it's his choice.

😂

SoupDragon · 19/01/2024 16:12

pointbreak77 · 19/01/2024 14:52

Same sounds though. AzayliAH. AliYAs.

Its disingenuous to say the names are not similar.

AH and AS do not sound at all similar. It is disingenuous to claim they do.

AnneValentine · 19/01/2024 16:48

Ginger89 · 19/01/2024 11:28

have people got no empathy? going by Saffs story of "putting on a brave face" I don't think this was discussed with her prior, no respect all she had left was her daughters name & he can't even let her have that. I just feel sad for a hurting mother that's all.

as if she’s putting on a brave face over a name that is nothing to do anything.

melj1213 · 19/01/2024 19:00

GreenWalls22 · 19/01/2024 12:48

Aliyas and Azaylia

They are not totally different names at all. they sound very similar, share letters in a similar order and have a very similar phonetic sound.

Maybe it's my pronunciation but I pronunce "Azaylia" the same way as the flower azalea: AH-zay-lee-uh and Aliyas like Elias: Ah-LIE-as

The only common syllable between the names is the first "Ah" sound but even that sounds different due to the stress being on different syllables in the word.

Just because two words share the same letters doesn't mean they sound the same if they're in a different order and you can have words spelt entirely the same that are pronounced differently - read/read; tear/tear - so the idea that because Aliyas and Azaylia both start with A and have similar letters they sound the same is incorrect, to me at least.

KimKardassion · 19/01/2024 19:08

The names sound like sibling names.
Can’t anyone see why it would be hurtful to have a baby conceived during a fling with a random girl, when your baby had just died of cancer, called a sibling-style name?

Ramalangadingdong · 19/01/2024 19:12

KimKardassion · 19/01/2024 19:08

The names sound like sibling names.
Can’t anyone see why it would be hurtful to have a baby conceived during a fling with a random girl, when your baby had just died of cancer, called a sibling-style name?

Because they were siblings?

A baby conceived during a fling is not of lesser value.

KimKardassion · 19/01/2024 19:28

I never said the baby is lesser value.
Mumsnet is full of mums who’s husbands have moved on quickly to have a new family, they (understandably) get support on here.
Surely it’s worse if your poorly baby died and got given a similar name?