To say that just because someone is opposed to " Trans Acceptance Without Exception" it doesn't mean that they are GC or Feminist.

[TooBigForMyBoots]

And it's important to understand the difference?

Some oppose Trans Rights Activism from a Radical Feminist POV. Gender is abstract. A societal construct that can be accepted, rejected or adapted throughout life. Gender is different to biological sex which is scientifically binary and immutable so Gender is not really important and not a stable basis for law.

Some oppose Trans Rights Activism from a Feminist POV. Gender might have a biological component. Fine with gender ideology long as biological women's rights, security and single sex spaces are safe with no encroachment from males.

Some oppose Trans Activism because it goes against their religious beliefs. It does not make them GC or Feminist.

Some oppose it because they believe in stereotypical gender roles. Men should be men and women should be women. This is not GC or Feminist.

Some oppose it because of misogyny. They hate women. They hate men pretending to be women because it debases men. This is not GC or feminist.

Am i being Unreasonable to say that just because someone is opposed to TRA "acceptance without exception", it doesnt mean they are Gender Critical or feminists. And we need to understand the difference.

So how is it helpful to put more biological men in them?

People can know there already a problem AND also know that putting more men (who have often committed crimes of violence against women) in with them, because they call themselves a woman is not the right thing to do.

It’s never right to increase risk for women, because some men have some feelings. Ever. Especially when those women are already extremely vulnerable.

pikkumyy77 you're wasting your time trying to reason with this lot.

These 'one issue' keyboard warriors are waiting like Brides of Dracula for fresh victims to revive them as they clearly have nothing else of any substance to say in the meantime, not even to each other.

pikkumyy77

you keep going, don’t let someone put you off, at least you are making an effort* *

I wish i knew how i used the italics there…

Oh I love that, GC energy vampire! I mean the amount of energy that infuses them whenever a non-GC person turns up with an opinion. Must be what they live for.

Astonishing. And there's the callousness of the trans rights movement on full display.

"Women are going to get raped anyway" so what's a few more matter, eh @pikkumyy77 ?!?

Just as long as the wants of males are met.

The irony.

.Must be what they live for

oh goodness 😀😀😀

Who called you patronising by the way?

Kids are much more likely to be abused at home, let’s stop DBS checking schools and kid clubs.

Back again. Not able to stand by what you post. Having a flounce. Coming back and still not able to address anyone questioning your POV.

Backing a poster that thinks it’s ok to put biological men in women’s prisons, because prisons guards rape women so what does it matter if some trans women inmates rape them.

Baring in mind these trans women have or are facing charges of violence towards women, in many cases.

And that argument is talking about biological males and the problem with Male violence. But let’s ignore male violence if the male feels like he is a woman.

Just because you can only be concerned about one issue at a time. Doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t acknowledge several problems at once.

TooBigForMyBoots
when Tory MP Jamie Wallis urged children to trans early

Did he?

“A lot of young people right now I think are dealing with gender issues, and my advice to them would be, you’ve got a long life. I wouldn’t wait as long as I’ve waited, [he was 37] maybe you can move a little bit quicker than that."

Back again. Not able to stand by what you post. Having a flounce. Coming back and still not able to address anyone questioning your POV.

Multi-flounces are the best flounces!

I can’t see where number 2 has been called patronising on that thread but i may have missed it

Who would choose a lame AF name like "Dadjoke" see that someone else had it, and instead of coming up with a better, less twee name, such as pretty much anything else, thought, "I know I'll just put a 2 on the end"

That's nice. What does that have to do with anything I said?

What do you mean by one issue? That I only post on here about one issue? Or, what, only talk about this or only care about it?
That's what you think?

Dadjoke previously described himself as a cisgender man.

I was being polite 😀

but i might need a name change

maybe ereshkigalangcleg2

(christ that was hard to type)

i dont think anyone called dadjoke2 patronising on that thread

i have looked…so i am assuming its a lie, for some weird reason…ive no idea why someone would lie about that

but im happy to be corrected

but i might need a name change

maybe ereshkigalangcleg2

Yes this. Such a shitty fucking non-argument.

I think the key is - do you care about women in prison in regards to any issues other than this one and mention them with the same frequency?

Trans women in women's prisons are brought up all the goddamn time on Mumsnet even on threads about other things. I posted once that I have a trans man friend who is called Dad to his child, and that I think this is fine. And I was asked if this means I support trans women in women's prisons! Meanwhile the objectively bigger issues around women's prisons like violence by guards and pregnant women in prison that sort of thing, might come up after a major news story but that's it. Are women in prison a major concern on Mumsnet or are trans women the major concern? Is it women you care about really?

I think the key is - do you care about women in prison in regards to any issues other than this one and mention them with the same frequency?

Another easily identified tactic. The purity argument.

You don't know what anyone else has said/done on the issues facing women in prison. It doesn't matter though. We're going to call out these attempts to make conditions worse for women, because it suits men, whether you think we're 'pure' enough to do so or not.

aren’t we supposed to believe people when they tell us?

So we have ALL the attempts to stifle debate pulled out in this one thread.

The question is why? Why are you so determined to shut women up on issues that affect them? Because you're not trying to engage in discussion. You're trying to shut it down.