Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

I don't believe in "gender" as distinct from sex, if you're asking if I think they have the right to express themselves as they wish and be protected from discrimination and harassment, then I do

You've changed your tune. I've seen you say "I have a problem with them all."
Which rightly got deleted so I can't prove, ah well.
Definitely you though so glad to hear you don't think that anymore.

I will never accept men in women’s spaces

And yes, they are men, no matter how they ‘transition’.

Do you believe that crimes committed by biological males should be recorded as having been commited by a female?
Do you believe abuse victims (and indeed any woman) have no right to single sex provision?
Can you explain to me what a woman is without referencing either biology or socially constructed stereotypes ie dress, names, mannerisms?

To be fair, a recent survey concluded that some 30% of people thought a transwoman was female.

See, I don't actually know what a 'tramswoman' is.

I just know that there are males/men and females/women, based purely on their chromosomes

This transman in a ladies loo. Is she going to get raped? Is someone going to get off on the sound of her peeing? No. Then what danger?

Thank you for clarifying what you mean by transphobic. Not many others have. I do believe adults- not children- have the right to do whatever they want to themselves. I will accept that some people feel like they have been born into the wrong sex. I will use their preferred pronouns, if I can.

I don't believe that any of this makes them change sex. Just like I don't believe in God, but I think religious people have the right to follow their religions, and be free of discrimination. What they can't then do is insist that I join their religion.

A lot of posters here are proudly transphobic, unfortunately. Not everyone though.

This ^^ in absolute spades.

The scale of the male entitlement and aggression that followed has certainly TERF'ed me, to the extent I want to see the GRA repealed. It is no longer fit for purpose and has been wantonly and hideously misappropriated by the likes of Stonewall.

I'd go as far as to rescind all GRCs, too.

Men must stay out of women's single sex spaces.

Are you a male, just going by your user name. A man who has had his genitals removed and the remaining flesh fashioned into a cavity is not a woman, he has not 'changed sex'. A woman is not a penisless man. I feel that too many men believe this, while they wouldn't for one second believe that a woman with a plastic phallus shoved in her pants, or a piece of flesh fashioned from her arm attached to her groin, is a man either.

Anyone who doesn’t wholly alone to TWAW/TMAM are always going to be TERFs. Personally I don’t care what adults want to label their gendered self, but I won’t deny biological reality to do so. I was a full blown TRA but at the time I didn’t actually think that males would be allowed into single sex spaces without question. Then finding out about how much unnecessary and irreversible, experimental medical procedures were being carried out on children who are often struggling with the mental health aspect of autism or have a history of abuse. So TRRFdom it is I guess.

There is absolutely a line between live and let live, and imposing in places that are kept separate by sex for a damn good reason that goes well beyond validation and ‘be kind’.

I do accept people are born into the wrong bodies

How think that?

So you truly believe that a baby boy, with male chromosomes and a penis/testicles is somehow slotted into a girls body? Do you honestly believe that ??

Do you think men should be in women's single sex spaces and sports. Because that's the issue. Not "can men wear dresses and eyeliner"

@bellinisurge I was answering someone else's point about "gender". Of course I don't.

Any examples of this?

I don't know what Taskmaster is - why was a group offended and what has it to do with name-calling posters on mumsnet?

There's a whole board that appears to be solely dedicated to transphobic posts, somewhere in the feminism section. Have fun.

"Appears to be" being the operative word, as you have no examples.

I believe that you cannot change your biological sex, however I support those that are transgender (in that I recognise gender dysphoria to be a real and traumatic condition to live with). However I also believe in sex based services.

why was a group offended

Because I imagine the majority of its members are ridiculous misogynistic men who think they are righteous. Objecting to the existence of a site for women who don't speak in a way you approve of is just misogyny.

If you think something is transphobic then report it. The mods will deal with it.
Unless you’re just talking bollocks, that is.

You don't know what a transwoman is? Goodness me, have you been living under a rock for the last ten years?
Chromosomes are what makes you male/female - your sex. They do not determine your gender (man or woman), this is a social construct.

I suspect you already knew all this though.

no.
They are mostly pro women and pro women's rights - whic is a perfectly acceptable and understandable stance for women to take
Which is a very long way from being a TERF.

Not that there is anything wrong with being a TERF.

do I believe that someone has gone through the operation to change their sex don't have male organs anymore have taken hormones then yes I believe they have a right to call themselves female.

They have not changed sex - that is biologically impossible. Your chromosomes are male or female.

There's a whole board that appears to be solely dedicated to transphobic posts, somewhere in the feminism section.

There is hardly any activity in the rest of the "feminism section" though a separate section was demanded where biological reality wasn't an issue.

But 'womanhood' is not yours to bestow on men.

You don't have that right.

I, and the vast majority of other people on this planet do not want men in female spaces, whatever they look like.

I'd go as far as to suggest that the determined DESIRE by such men to be in these spaces should be the very thing that excludes them.

There is a reason why, in the most recent 'social attitudes survey', the only grouping whose support has fallen is trans.

Because TRA have so overplayed their hand.

Do you agree with crimes committed by biological males being recorded as having been committed by females?
Do you agree with vulnerable rape survivors being denied acces to single sex rape support?
Can you explain what a woman is without referencing biology or socially constructed gender stereotypes ie dress, names, mannerisms etc?