Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

So yes, I'm a TERF. I'm not a Mumsnet-level TERF perhaps.

You do realise that many TRAs would see no difference, @Flickersy. You're a TERF on MN by your own admission. That would be enough 🤷‍♀️

I don’t even think India likes India

Good for them, I don't care.

Oh I love India! She is lovely isn't she

I quite like her too

TERF is a nonsense term, imo, and a slur, so I wouldn't call myself that. But no, I don't believe it is possible to change one's sex, and whether someone is a man or woman is linked to their biological sex, not how they feel or view themselves.

I think it's obviously wrong to force biological women to accept biological males in their private spaces. Biological males competing against biological females in sports is unfair. Making it a social (if not criminal) offence to not state pronouns, pretend to believe that someone can change their sex, etc.—also wrong. People should be allowed to have and state opinions that are unpopular, so long as they aren't inciting violence.

I believe in live and let live, but I will resist infringement upon my rights and attempts to silence my voice or force me to pretend to believe something I know is not true. Having a differing opinion should never be a crime.

I think many people are actually MERFS. Males, including TW are excluded but transmen are welcome cos to be a transman, you need to be a female.

All this "mumsnet is full of terfs" is a bit moot then really. You're a terf, I'm a terf. Most people are. There are only degrees of terfitude.

Damn…should have known that comment would have been deleted. Oh well

Absolutely

Why was my comment deleted?

Well now my post makes even less sense than my posts usually do with both those deletions

No silly. They want to be included in single gender spaces.

No silly. They want to be included in single gender spaces

we don’t have them

there are loads of genders i read..well over 70

What are single gender spaces and why would anyone need them? Can you give an example of a single gender space that is mixed sex?

If you like racist, homophobic misogynists. I don't but you do you.

New information! What would a single gender space be?

Ok. But they are demanding entry into single sex spaces not single 'gender' spaces.

Female prisons, rape crisis centre groups and female refuges, female hospital bays, female changing rooms and female toilets. Do you agree that these should remain for any female person? And to clarify that, I mean any human being who has been born with a body that was formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether they will, are or ever have produced any large gametes.

Or are you calling single sex spaces, single 'gender' spaces?

I don't believe you can change sex.
I don't believe that wearing a skirt and calling yourself Judy makes you a woman.
I don't believe that filling yourself with hormones and mutilating yourself will ever make you a different sex.
I don't believe you should have access to hospital wards ,changing rooms ,toilets that don't conform to your biological sex.

The constant generalisation of TW as being fetishists.

Obviously not all TW are fetishists, the same as not all men are. Safeguarding means that you keep all males out of female only spaces, regardless of how they identify. The people shouting the loudest in an attempt to remove this safeguarding are either TW or males pretending to be TW. We can't tell the difference. So we need to keep all men out.

Some self identified TW do, undoubtedly, have a fetish. We should not be coy about confronting this.

Wowsers. I hadn’t thought so at all, so I am really surprised to read so many of these comments.

Many people on mumsnet are parents of children where this issue impacts them in some way or other. It really isn’t a surprise because the polls show that the rejection of male people in sports and female toilets is by far the majority of people in the UK.

Did you think that the word referred to extremists? No. It doesn’t when you strip away the derogatory slur component. Of course human’s cannot change sex. And of course the polling data here reflecting that rejection of male people in female single sex spaces and sports is not just the UK. When tested elsewhere, it shows similar numbers. That is material reality coming through in rational responses to real life scenarios.

Because knowing people cannot change sex is a universally held understanding of material reality.

The term is a slur and it has been so misapplied by now. Is that why you are surprised, because you thought ‘TERFs’ were people of extreme demands and beliefs? This is not true. And the term is so misapplied these days that it includes even those who hate feminists. Even though the feminist part is in the name.

I hadn’t thought so at all, so I am really surprised to read so many of these comments

What surprises you?

Hi Helle, I’m not going to engage in a discussion with you given past experiences. I’m going to participate more widely on the thread where I feel I can contribute. If you have a problem with any of my posts please take them up with mumsnet. Thank you 🙏🏻

This is interesting. So what in would you argue defines a man?

What defines a man is being an adult human male ie someone Being born in a body designed around the production of small gametes

everything else is stereotypes based around societal expectations

but you know this because you’ve been round this a bazillion times before