Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

And here starts the accusations again.

I ask you to provide evidence to back up your claims. Usually about medical treatments for children, adolescents and adults. Which you don't seem to be able to provide and tell anyone who asks to 'google'. While you also then declare that you have a post graduate qualification in the topic of gender.

But do continue to attempt to frame me and others who ask as bullies. Shall I list all the accusations that you have made that amount to personal attacks that get deleted by MNHQ or just provide the links to the threads with so many of your own posts deleted where you have indeed attacked me and others so all posters who are interested can check?

You have again made negative generalisations and vile accusations in your very first post on this thread at 19.43.

You said:

"Unfortunately one of the worst things about mumsnet is the grotesquely ignorant display of transphobia that overwhelmingly dominates the feminism board, and often seeps into other areas of the chat boards as well.
But not all mumsnetters share these views!! 🙋🏼‍♀️ And there are lots of other great things about mumsnet that have nothing to do with TERFdom"

You have called many people ignorant in the past while they have actually shown that they provide evidence to back up their claims and show readers just who is 'ignorant'.

You have also continued to claim that the feminism board has displays that are 'grotesquely' transphobic is how I read that. Please do clarify if I have read that incorrectly.

This is because we have established that you operate under you own personal definition of 'transphobia' that does not mirror what is deemed by reasonable people or by moderators who do a professional job of moderating what is transphobic and what is not.

So, it seems you are now also operating on the belief that no one should be able to challenge your personal definition of transphobia and that you can get away with using that accusation to attempt to shame others who disagree with you.

Next you will accuse me again of 'following you' onto a thread, so let me clarify again as I did earlier. I have been on this thread for pages and pages and had posted two posts above your post. Just in case you wish to try that accusation yet again.

1. Take off the makeup, frock, lacy knickers, stilettos, bras - still a man.
2. Take off the penis and testicles - I'd argue still a man.

But so many people, particularly men, seem to struggle with the second bit. Why?

Well this thread makes for a depressing read.

Yes, the unfounded accusations of transphobia are quite depressing.

I’m not sure many seem to want to take off their penis and testicles either but it doesn’t seem to be a bar to womanhood these days.

I don’t hate all males. I am married . I love and like my husband . I like other male friends too. Difference is they also think that TW are men and are definitely not women. But I am a TERF and wear my badge with pride!

There's an awful lot if it as far as I can see.

Well this thread makes for a depressing read.

What, specifically, do you find depressing?

There's an awful lot of it as far as I can see

Is understanding that human beings cannot change their sex transphobic?

I'm probably a TERF (in that I don't believe men can change sex, I believe sports should be single sex etc). There is lots of excellent debate and discussion on here.

There is absolutely rampant transphobia on MN too. Such as the idea that there's some sort of paedophilic cult behind people being transgender (because they want to "keep children pre-pubescent forever" and so on thanks to puberty blockers). The constant generalisation of TW as being fetishists. The many, many threads whipping up attacks against specific individuals, with some quite nasty attacks on people's personal appearances and implications that "they need their hard drive checking".

I've noticed it starting to bleed into attacks on Pride and LGBT generally, or anyone (any man really) who isn't gender conforming.

So yes, I'm a TERF. I'm not a Mumsnet-level TERF perhaps.

But so many people, particularly men, seem to struggle with the second bit. Why?

To be fair ...

I think a lot of men feel men who divulge themselves of their penis have issues that they cannot begin to understand. As such, they feel pity. That's not the same as thinking these men are women, but there is sympathy.

Once men realise that 95% of these men keep their manhood intact, it's a totally different story.

I don't think even trans people believe they can change their sex buddy. I think you mean gender.

Many many posters on mumsnet absolutely say ‘not all…’ during those sorts of threads

there is not a blanket ‘all transpeople are ….’ on mumsnet

you will always get the odd person who says ‘all’ either because thats their view or sometimes when looking for screenshots, but its certainly not the prevailing view on FWR

So if TW are changing their gender not their sex why the demand for them to be in single sex spaces?

Yes exactly that @Flickersy
So disingenuous when people on here pretend it's "just a concern about wanting single sex spaces"

If your problem is with men pretending to be trans in order to abuse women, then that's a different thing.

What's the difference materially between a male who tells me he is a woman because he believes he is, and a male who says he is a woman because he has an ulterior motive, and how does being a bad un disqualify the second male from being a self identified "trans woman"? And how do women tell the difference? If there is one? So many questions, so few answers.

So if TW are changing their gender not their sex why the demand for them to be in single sex spaces?

The $64,000 question

What is a sex buddy?

Also I think that you will find that plenty of transwomen think that they are now female. Check out the lovely India Willoughby for one...

THIS.

Ooo is sex buddy like friend with benefits?

Oh I love India! She is lovely isn't she 😊

Now we know you’re on the wind up 😆😆