Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

In what way? You’ve said yourself that you agree with single sex spaces so evidently you’re ok with some ‘impact’ on trans people who want full validation.

Trans people deserve the same respect anyone has in life, to work, live and carry on without being subjected to abuse or harassment. Validation is a whole other matter though, no one is owed that to make them happier. Especially when validating an untruth at the expense of others.

I don't care what you call it, I think you're mistaken because I have never seen it from anyone. I don't have to take your word for it.

All women shortlists for a book award have been designed to progress the needs of women who have experienced negative sexist discrimination since birth. Actually since before they are born in some instances. Plus, female people in general have experienced as a collective, negative sexist discrimination for centuries. And It is will ingrained in the publishing industry.

If you don't believe that girls today at school experience negative sexist discrimination, then you probably are not aware of what that discrimination is, or you don't have children at school today. It is still there. Very much so.

So, male people have not experienced negative sexist discrimination. And have not grown up with it. As a male person, that author has never experienced the negative sexist discrimination that the female authors have since birth.

Please tell us why any male should then be allowed to take advantage of an initiative that is there to encourage female people to overcome that negative sexist discrimination?

All women shortlists are not just there 'because'. They serve a purpose. You again are causing harm to women and girls in prioritising a sub group of male people over female people's needs.

I don't have the time to read and engage with every single post.

BUT

Yes, women have had to fight so hard etc etc etc, in complete agreement, but that is because of the sexism in those industries and in society. Accepting trans people is something else.

No one has to believe vague accusations about what people say on FWR that they can't actually back up.

@meowie why do you want trans women excluded from single sex spaces if you do think they are female?

Males can't become women not matter how they feel, identify or how many surgeries they have or medications they use. No body can change sex and being a woman isn't a feeling or an outfit or even a pair of tits. Men who imagine they are women need to stay out of women's single sex spaces, women's sports and women's representation. No if's or but's, just no!

Yes. You are.

And I think since you have not even tried to answer my questions, that you probably haven't even considered how.

I ask this one again.

Did you know that by using the words that you seem to believe is respectful, a male who has been on consultation committees for formulating the rules for the Olympics convinced the OIC to allow males to compete as female athletes in the last Olympics?

Did you know this?

Now that you do, do you think that maybe women here posting on this thread to you have a point?

To your last question, yes I do.

I'm no longer interested in a transwoman's lived experience since i discovered that showing an interest means comply or get fired

Accepting males who say they’re women in female categories is sexism. Word is right in there - ‘sex’ism. Not genderism. Gender ideology was borne out of sexism.

Because they are not men.

I agree. Total madness.

Men in STEM are marginalised?? lol

What are they then?

Please be very clear.

To your last question, yes I do.

They are actually overrepresented in certain fields. Women are underrepresented in many STEM fields, not MTF trans people.

Not likely, as I've been here for 15+ years and hasn't happened yet 😏

looked up TERF and yes I am one.

Because they are not men.

In what sense?

not much more to be said really.

Yes they are. Every cell in their body is male. Their skeletal structure is male. Their body is designed around the production of small gametes

they are men

women are not support humans for men unable or unwilling to cope with biological reality

Not likely, as I've been here for 15+ years and hasn't happened yet

Run your thoughts on third spaces past a few TRAs and you'll find they see very little difference between me and you. They aren't known for nuance.

There's no 'respect and dignity' in lying to people or about people. How could there be?

@meowie I don't think I've ever seen that phrase. If I did I would report it and get it removed. So would many of the other women posting here. Do we need to be castigated for the behaviour of other anonymous people that we have no ability to control?

I try very heard to speak about everyone with respect and not to use insults. It is very frustrating to be told that because some unidentified other does not, that this is a reason to discount what I say or to call me phobic or whatever else.