Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

meowie

I'm confused.

You said "It's not just about single sex spaces and - sports. I'm mostly in favour of those."

Then later used this as an example of transphobia: "No woman has the right to give away single sex spaces to a subset of males, even if they 'identify' (whatever the fuck that means) as women."

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Here comes the pile on...I'll answer as many posts as I can but there is a limit.

And can the slightly more measured posters who disagree with me honestly say this post isn't offensive or transphobic?

Fetishist men should stay away from kids and women's spaces. If one so much as looks sideways at my kid, I will happily do time.

If thst makes me a terf, so be it.

Keep your fetishisms to yourselves you sickos.

The truth is offensive.

I can't help you with that really can I?

The bottom line is that you think that the feelings of trans women (who ARE male no matter how offended you are by that) are more important than the safety and dignity of women and the right of women to consider ourselves a distinct sex class separate from ALL males.

Why do you think these males are more important than women @meowie?

@meowie someone not agreeing with your viewpoint isn’t phobia. If there is no fact or logical reasoning to what you’re perceiving as reality, then it is a belief until absolutely proven otherwise. There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs that you hold to the point of it influencing your everyday life - what is an issue is demanding that everyone sees your personal perspective as the absolute truth, and if they don’t they are phobic or prejudice.

I think some single sex spaces are necessary, yes. And sports too (while not as important) as the competition becomes unfair otherwise.

Which bit ?
Basically I was talking about the new taskmaster series on MN (saying I didn't know the new line up). Separately I was sent some screenshots from where someone posted the MN conversation onto a FB group about TM, and lots of people were outraged I didn't know the new comedian participants. After this the, same FB group said words to the effect, why would you listen to a bunch of TERFs.

You do realise this makes you transphobic right? That by recognising biological sex over gender in any way says you don’t always believe trans women are wholly and undebatably women.

How would a trans person live meaningfully if they do not have access to those spaces? Can you say more on what that is

I think 'third spaces' could be a potentially acceptable compromise that takes into account the safety and dignity of everyone.

I want to be able to go to a women's group and know that only people whose sex = female will be there. That includes women who say they are men, so I'm certainly not tran exclusionary. If I go to a mixed sex group I'm not at all bothered if a man wants to turn up claiming he's a woman as long as he doesn't also pretend to have periods and so on.

I don't want my daughter to be told that if she struggles with her changing body through puberty it might be because she's really a boy any more than I want her thinking she'd be happier if she was a size zero rather than a size 6.

Before I came to these conclusions I tried to go through the mental hoops to understand what is meant when people say trans women are women. At one point I was happy to pretend and I thought anyone else was pretending too. No one has been able to explain to me what is meant by transwomen are women and so I'm happy to just give up on trying to get my head around that one.

Just out of interest, @ChedderGorgeous , would you say the Taskmaster FB group seems male-dominated, from the screenshot you have been sent?

Two posters said I don't get to "consent" for all women. Strange choice of words. No, of course I don't! Neither do you. None of us do. But I do get to give my opinion. And if you ask me as a woman, as a survivor of abuse, am I happy to have trans women in female spaces - yes, I personally am. I'd actually prefer to access spaces that are inclusive. And in the context of a thread where the OP asked how much of Mumsnet was TERF-y, I wanted to stand up and say "I'm not".

I think you will find that the majority of the UK population don't believe that male people can become women to the extent that male people should access female single sex spaces at all or sport. In other words, they really don't believe that male people can become female people.

I am very happy to show you polling data that shows this. Do you honestly think that the minority of the UK population believe that people can change sex? Do YOU believe that people can change sex? How? Please tell us how they can.

The confusion is all yours.

My issues is with this: " subset of males, even if they 'identify' (whatever the fuck that means) as women". It's offensive.

in the context of a thread where the OP asked how much of Mumsnet was TERF-y, I wanted to stand up and say "I'm not

Same

Is it just me finding @meowie to have literally the exact same views as 90% of the terfs she's criticising hilarious? What she just said about sport and toilets and self expression is the gc argument.

Just agp to go and she's a full terf!

Haha! Proper little stirrer aren't you?

meowie · Today 17:33

I think 'third spaces' could be a potentially acceptable compromise that takes into account the safety and dignity of everyone.

This has been suggested plenty of times, but transw always say no and demand unconditional access all areas, at all times, in women's spaces.

The confusion is all yours.

My issues is with this: " subset of males, even if they 'identify' (whatever the fuck that means) as women". It's offensive.

It's factually true. "Trans women" are biological males. In most cases it's legally true as most "trans women" are legally male. So we have a bit of an unreasonable expectation being imposed.

No I wouldn't say so. Pretty equal. A man expressed the views discussed though

No it doesn't.

So what the fuck does it mean then @meowie ? Because stonewall says it means saying you are a woman or wearing women's clothes. Same as the posters here. You are gc and a terf you just don't realise it 🤣🤣🤣

Women spent years saying third spaces were the answer, bloody yesrs!! And you know what? TRA told us we were hateful bigots for even suggesting such a thing

post your third spaces suggestion on a trans forum and see how well it goes down

Yes but men born with a penis are not wholly women as they were not born with vaginas?