Are mumsneters TERFs

[ChedderGorgeous]

I started a thread on the new taskmaster line up here. This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs. AIBU to suggest this isn't the general perception of others when you have mentioned mumsnet ? Ps. I still haven't heard of John Robins !

Ahh the old "people on MN deny the existence of trans people " thing.

What does this actually mean? Where on MN has anyone ever denied the existence of trans people? This is such a dramatic thing to state.

If what you mean is posters such as myself not believing humans can change sex and just because someone thinks they can it gives them the right to access womens safe spaces, sporting opportunities or compel speech. Then yes, there are many posters here myself included who will not accept someone's feelings trumps womens rights and/or safeguarding.

Context. That comment could be about anything and anyone. If it's about trans people in general then of course it's not acceptable. And should be reported and removed.

Thing is, I understand that having debated this for years that this question has been done to death but there are many people still new to it or questioning and I feel that this a fundamentally important question to keep asking as it's not good enough to go 'oh we've covered that, next!' So I will, stubbornly keep asking even if it makes look like a newbie (which I most certainly am not!)

It was more wry amusement at the lack of any coherent explanation ever from genderists.

If it's about trans people in general then of course it's not acceptable
It was. And glad we're in agreement there about not being acceptable

Yeah I got that afterwards, sorry! Also I know your name and always appreciate your input 🙂

Trying to hold up some vaguely worded quote that an unnamed poster may have posted at some time or another as evidence is exactly the sort of thing we generally see on these threads.

@NoMoreFalafelsForYou and also, without wishing to be rude, for verification that you aren't just making it up....

And regardless of body modifications/surgery, you will remain male until you die.

Lots of sealioning going on here

Yet you can’t give examples of what you consider transphobia

Just one post saying "example! Give example? Nobody can ever give example!"
Example given - "OMG, sealioning 🙄

@NoMoreFalafelsForYou

You haven't given an example, you've given a half remembered quote with no context as to what it was about, who posted it and when.

its man and woman - 2 genders. and its not TERF, its called reality. Stop making stuff up, and stop trying to justify it. There is reality, and someone else's perceived reality (its called fantasy). Do I care how anyone dresses up or feel? no, knock yourselves out if you're an adult. How people get about addressing one's own fantasy in their own world is no one's business, until it impacts someone else.

Trying to hold up some vaguely worded quote that an unnamed poster may have posted at some time or another as evidence is exactly the sort of thing we generally see on these threads

Unnamed 😂
Do you actually read posts or just trying to point over there in the corner to try and deflect?

No there isn’t. Thats just a word TRAs throw out when they’ve been asked a question they know they can’t answer logically/adequately (or usually at all) and they think more name calling means they can deflect/win the conversation. It’s not working anymore, as much as calling ‘transphobia’ when not completely towing the gender ideology line has got very old now.

It's absolutely ok for you to believe whatever you like. Of course it is. What you don't have is the right to insist others believe it too. Now, you are probably happy with that but TRAs are not and that is what is causing all the problems because gender ideology requires others to participate, regardless of their own different beliefs.

Gender affirmation doesn't work from within, it needs the whole world to corroborate. It's not self ID is it.

In the words of Helen Joyce

"The idea of gender self ID is misnomer. It's not yourself that you're identifying, you're forcing other people to identify you as what you claim to be. You're making a counterfactual statement about yourself. You're actually a man and you say you're a woman and you demand that people see you as that, or vice versa."

So yes, believe what you like, but don't call people transphobic if they don't believe it too. If you want tolerance you have to give it too. It's not just a one way street.

Am I a TERF? Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits ?

you have no idea just how tired…..

@Begsthequestion hasn't given any examples.

TERF has an unpleasant ring to it and we really don’t need a woke label for a woman who understands basic biology and hasn’t been brainwashed into believing something slightly ridiculous.

It's actually a term mostly used by feminists to describe dishonest debate but your experience might be different I suppose.

Yes, Terf seems like an odd word for realist.

This greatly angered a taskmaster fb group who screenshot the conversation and agreed all mumsnetters were TERFs.

Let face it, none of us can cope with the anger of a taskmaster fb group.

who posted it

😂

Half remembered quote?
No, that was the whole quote.
Which you know.
This is why nobody usually gives examples of engages.
As gaslighting attempts happens when you do, or says it's not an example.
Whatever

I was saying that other posters were using sealioning tactics on you.

So something else taken from women and twisted into something else to suit gender ideology? Shocker.

Do you actually read posts or just trying to point over there in the corner to try and deflect?

Oh sorry, did you say who the post was by? I missed that. Could you possibly quote your post where you said what the poster of the post you are talking about was called? And what it was about? Was it about specific people? Was it about toilets? Changing rooms? We need a bit of context to understand what the person was talking about.

@Scutterbug

Well, I won’t just post and run but there are lots of threads that are very transphobic stating that they will never accept that somebody biologically born a male, can then become female.

This is a bold statement. I think you are one of the very very few people on this planet who believes humans can change sex.

I don't think many trans people even hold this belief.

How do you think this happens?