ANOTHER war. Anyone else feel terrified of what could come

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Breaking news; UK signing off on air strikes against Yemen. Is this just going to get worse ?

Since having kids this honestly petrifies me. This world is a mess! I feel like it's one thing since another ever since Covid nothing has felt the same at all! Life before that almost feels completely different and a blur ! Anyone else?

I've no idea if it will or not.And neither do you. If it does, don't you think we might be targeted in other ways? Or is that not a possibility?

No.There is always war somewhere. Multiple wars on multiple Continents. But because of the proximity to Europe of the Ukraine/Russian war, and now Palestine it is just on the local news more. When it's in South or Central America .... not so much.

Because there were more effective ways of dealing with piracy. Have you not noticed that you don't hear of hijackings anymore?

Somali pirates weren't launching missiles. The best way to counter missiles is to destroy them before they can be launched.

As so many have said, on this thread and many others in the past, "no point worrying, as nothing will change the outcome"

So very true, but that's the whole thing with worry, it gets us nowhere, doesn't change a thing but damned if we can help it. 😳

So this phase could go on for a very long time before the actual end I presume.

Nope, haven’t given it a second thought. If people are scared of that then they’ll be scared of plenty of other things and I honestly wonder how those people get through a day.

Of course. But if you tried to eliminate every group that posed a potential threat, then you really would see WW3.

I am usually very anti military action, because there are often other solutions. I entirely support a ceasefire in Israel and Gaza.

However, in this instance, there was direct provocation, direct military aggression and diplomatic attempts have failed.

The response looks to have been restrained, proportionate, targeted and supported by international law. This wasn't about killing Houthis or ousting them from power. It was about reducing their ability to attack.

What happens next will depend on what the Houthis do next. I cannot see any other major global military powers wading in here at this point. (Iran would have been the worry imo)

Labour have publicly supported-it would have been voted through anyway

@EasternStandard

"You don’t think the shipping interruption will stop?"

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No I don't think launching cruise missiles and jet bombings are going to disrupt low tech $25k drone attacks which can be assembled in someone's garage. It will make the US and UK politicians feel a bit better.

The only way to prevent the attacks would be boots on the ground in Yemen (which is a really really bad idea) or to threaten/ bomb Iran (which is an even worse idea).

So in short the attacks on the ships will continue until either the Houthis get bored or the Iranians tell them to stop. Even if the Gaza conflict stopped the Houthis could continue to attack ships as it would be seen as a war against the West.

@etmoiandme thank you for sharing that article really interesting

There is a good BBC article just out on how this could escalate matters:

Strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen could undermine US aim to contain war www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67955729

Personally I don't buy the escalation threat that much but the airstrikes are fairly pointless achieving very little militarily but makes the UK and US politicians feel better.

As for the Houthis (just like Hamas) provoking a reaction from the West is exactly what they were looking for. Also the usual useful idiots in the West can now support the Houthis as well as Hamas.

Maybe Just Stop Oil or Greta Thurnberg can put an environmental spin on it that the Houthis disrupting the oil and gas shipments means that the Houthis should be celebrated as eco warriors etc.

It’s a bit depressing. What do you think would be a better approach? (If there is one)

What would you do

Maybe Just Stop Oil or Greta Thurnberg can put an environmental spin on it that the Houthis disrupting the oil and gas shipments means that the Houthis should be celebrated as eco warriors etc

The inevitability of this is so depressing.

The RF will also be happy with it and their press secretaries calling everyone to find some other news to distract from Andrew being in the Epstein files and make us forget he paid over £12million to a woman he'd never met having never worked to earn such, though every £1 the family owns is tax free. Today is the coldest day in January for 20yrs. Tomorrow will be the coldest day in January for 25yrs. Fear! Fear! Fear! Give them more control! They'll find every day that the climate can be at record high or low. Although Charles refuses to provide double glazing to his tenants and the Zara at the brand new Battersea Power Station always has to have all it's doors open even with heating. Ah! Ofcourse he who was once hailed by said media for being an awesome pilot having married a biracial woman and now being given an aviation award is what the people should be agitated about. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050776/Top-gun-Prince-Harry-amazes-helicopter-instructors-U-S-flying-skills.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Maybe Just Stop Oil or Greta Thurnberg can put an environmental spin on it that the Houthis disrupting the oil and gas shipments means that the Houthis should be celebrated as eco warriors etc.

😂Funny but very likely someone will go there even if she doesn't

This thread is mad. People actually oppose military action against a group of terrorists that have been attacking shipping and then attacking naval vessels, in one of the world’s most important shipping zones? WTF.

And for the poster who keeps saying that the Houthis are using rudimentary weapons, see here: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/10/britain-warns-severe-consequences-houthi-attack-red-sea-repelled

There are better sources but I realise that there’s a section in MN that only believes the Guardian.

I don’t think cruise missiles count as your usual DIY weapons.

As for Houthis attacking only ships taking weapons to Israel…utter bollocks.

Sometimes I despair about the knee-jerk anti-US/UK lobby.

@EasternStandard

"It’s a bit depressing. What do you think would be a better approach? (If there is one)

What would you do"

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Yep it is definitely depressing and sadly I can't think of an alternative approach or at least one that would be politically acceptable in a Western democracy (especially with the useful idiots protesting about everything).

On such unacceptable approaches you could for example finance some anti Iranian terrorist groups on the basis that we stop financing them if you stop financing/ assisting the Houthis. Or maybe the 19th century British Empire approach of giving your enemy's enemy weapons eg a Houthi opposition group.

But such an approach didn't work out too well assisting the Muhadjadeen in Afghanistan and wouldn't be well received in free press western democracy.

I think the best option is to just protect those vessels heading to UK or US ports. After a while when the Chinese start losing export revenues they can try and fix the situation in a way no Western democracy could.

Do you know nothing about the Houthi/Saudi war? despite years of trying to destroy the Houthi's, inc some very heavy air strikes using the latest Western weapons.. they have failed.

I'm all for military action that works but this wont, a ship has just been attacked by a Houthi missile today.

Iran will keep arming them, they will hide these weapons in tunnels etc and we will achieve little.

It was taking that approach re:Syria that emboldened Putin to start annexing bits of Georgia and Ukraine. Not helped of course by the response of the German government which was to collaborate with the Russians to build more gas pipelines.

Oh don't be ridiculous, the Houthi's aren't Syria, let alone Russia/Putin.

Even a former US Navy commander has said this wont work and the UK/US should have got more international support first.

Ha Do you mean the pipe that enable us to buy Norwegian gas instead of the Germans etc having it instead? that one?

Or do you mean the Tories sucking up to Putin and his money to fund their election campaigns?

As i said, all up for Military action that works.

Interesting. I usually try to listen out for analysts but haven’t had been able to yet

I only heard one who pointed out once you say ‘stop or else’ you need to do the or else otherwise the words are empty. So it’s a reminder to anyone who gets that phrase directed at them

I understand what you’re saying though and the thought of entering inflationary spiral is incredibly depressing. I hope it can be avoided in some way.

Yeah we saw perfect evidence of an illegal invasion by Blair. Labour are hardly a beacon of peace! I would say that was the worst atrocity in my living memory…

I would say that was the worst atrocity in my living memory…

Why? Compared to, say, the 2nd Congo War?

And you minimise the illegal invasion?