To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

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It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

Jesus Christ at The Brits. Why now?
Arse waft.

Sorry Jesus juice! Why now?

He's the only paedophile excused because he was he was misunderstood and talked like a girl.

@Gotsomedebt We are trying to look at it from an objective point of view and not an emotional one. We are simply saying we do not know.

Yes isn’t it funny how Bill Gates and Steve Jobs - two men much wealthier than Jackson - never had little boys making up false accusations.

Why is that I wonder. Why did these ‘gold digging counts’ not target the richest men? I’m sure Jackson was stone broke before he died, hardly someone a gold digging cunt of a 12yo would target

Thanks for posting, I was searching that link you posted like mad and couldn't find it.

I think it's odd and not something I would do.

Objective my fat arse!! No one was objective over Jimmy Saville so why try and defend Michael Jackson?

As a PP said, if this was Mike from down the road having 'sleepovers' with 8 year old boys, there'd be a witch hunt. Why is pedo Jackson any different?

Exactly.

only a paedophile would have acted so much like a peadophile.

Me neither. I worry for the average IQ of the country when people are defending the world MOST OBVIOUS pedophile. I mean HOW can they not see it?!

Like you say - Mike who works in Morrisons having little boy sleepover and a theme park in his garden, who walks around holding little boys hands - would the pedo apologists look at him and go “Wow what a guy” or would they be calling the police? They NEVER provide answer when asked this.

I can't comment on Jimmy Saville as I didn't follow the allegations and what happened.

The thing is you that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were all in a race to build the best computer with the best software.
They were busy wanking over coding. I see their point.

Accidental Empires.

In that case I assume you don’t believe Saville’s victims because it’s not evidence based?

The fact is NO ONE knows anything happened unless they were there. Thankfully the justice system doesn’t work on “Everyone on the world had to be there to prove it happened”. So we use logic, facts, observed behaviour and judgement to draw a conclusion. if my conclusion on Jackson is anything other than ‘massive nonce’ I’d be booking myself on a safeguarding training course pronto and keeping the hell away from children. Our children don’t need apologists in their life

Honestly, stop the resistance, we don't know. But I would not take the chance. The evidence is overwhelming to show that Michael Jackson is guilty. But because he has passed, he cannot be brought to justice. If he was on trial now? I guarantee he would be found guilty.

Why wouldn’t you do it? Presumably because you recognise it’s inappropriate and predatory behaviour and something only somebody with no boundaries towards strange children would do?

@KarenNotAKaren What I (and perhaps others) are trying to get across is that someone acting out of the norm and what we would consider inappropriately is a big step away from someone raping a child.

Sitting a child on their knee, as odd as it is, does not equal raping them. Having kids sleepover in his room does not equal raping them. Granted, it's odd behaviour and I would find it concerning but I can't get from A to B in my mind. Perhaps there is evidence out there I've not seen or heard. If there is; I will of course change my stance.

I’ll gov you the TLDR: about as much evidence as there is on Jackson and almost wholly based on victim testimony. No forensic evidence

No he wouldn't, for exactly the same reasons he was exonerated last time.

They were busy wanking over coding

😂😂

@KarenNotAKaren Didn't all that come out after he died? I wonder what the outcome would have been if it had gone to trial.

I'd want tons of money to get shed loads of therapy to cope with what had happened, it's America , therapy is a FORTUNE.

How can people think his behavior wasn't grooming and abusive?

Erm. I think you will find that Jonny Depp was the victim and was abused by Amber Heard.
I also think there's been no substance behind the Marylin Manson allegations.

I genuinely don't think so. Times have moved on. The me too movement means more people are being believed and listened to. No longer is the power in the hands of the abuser, no matter how famous they are.

I see their point.

Mmm coding.... 🤣 At least it's right or wrong.

…yeah that’s not how it works

If you knew anything about CSA you’d know that child rapists dont wear their preference for raping children on their t-shirt. safeguarding is about identifying the red flags, and building a picture based on the scenario of a child being at risk of harm. A man with many accusers, who has formerly been charged with sex crimes, who shares beds with little boys and openly grooms then for all to see - that builds a picture to something sinister. It’s Not about catching them in the act of raping a child as that rarely even happens. It’s about using facts to determine someone’s character and preferences.

So whilst sitting a child on your lap is not raping them obviously, when it forms a bigger picture of other inappropriate behaviour, so that when that same child says “he raped me” we have cause to believe and support them

I just wanna say thank fuck people like you aren’t in charge of child protection laws - if you need to catch someone actively raping a charge before you believe they’re a pedophile, the country would only jail 2 people a year.

Actually, Saville wasn't found guilty at trial, to be fair. Not that I'm defending him, of course.

@StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance Jimmy Saville was accused of paedophilia, necrophilia and just being an all round evil bastard, people apparently tried speaking out about him multiple times over the years, but were always disbelieved, told to be quiet or just ignored. It's quite similar to Jackson really. No one can prove either of them were guilty, but there is strong victim and witness testimonies in both cases. See that's me being objective.
What I really think is both of them were vile child abusing cunts, but that's not objective is it.

For Saville? Yes - many victims can only have the confidence to speak when their accuser is six feet under. They are also only able to speak then without fear of litigation against them