To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

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It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

Dodgy behaviour can be decoupled from the court system. We know most sexual offenders get away with it.

We teach our children protective behaviour based on knowledge of adult predatory behaviour. We tell them: Don’t get into a car with a stranger, don’t let an adult touch you in ways you don’t like. Apart from a few weirdos on MN we don’t let them have sleepovers with adult men🙄.

if an adult man wanted to have a sleepover with my 10 year old son I wouldn’t agree if he’d been through the court system and was found not guilty of paedophilia. I’d assume an adult man wanting to sleep with my prepubertal son was a nounce.

I agree and I think it would have been interesting if Jackson had still been alive through the Me Too movement

Bollocks when it came to Michael Jackson as he wasn't seen as a human being. Already have been dismissed millions in payments. The Americans would never have stood by it.

Fat Harvey Weinstein with his shrivelled dick is another matter.

America or even the world is not going to compare the two. Anyway one was adult sexual assault, one child - so they're not comparable anyway.

@KarenNotAKaren I am sorry if you have been through something similar as I am getting that feeling due to your strong response to someone having another opinion. However, you're getting a little personal now. You cannot assume what I know or don't know nor what I have experienced or not experienced.

Have a good evening.

Whenever someone says ‘something doesn’t add up’ I find that it generally usually does.

Please do not weaponise my experience against me. I don’t need to be a survivor to see that Jackson is an enormous nonce and his apologists are deluded fools.

@KarenNotAKaren I wasn't at all. It's difficult to tell over message but I genuinely have empathy and compassion towards you. I was trying to get across that I can understand the strong reaction.

I do feel you are being too personal though so for that reason, I will politely walk away and wish you well.

Perhaps not such a big step when the 'acting out of the norm' is building a kids theme park at your house, regularly inviting loads of little boys over and sleeping in bed with them.

A significant number of those children then told of being abused but some people really come out to bat for powerful male celebrities accused of inappropriate behaviour towards children. Always say they won't believe it without 'evidence' when such crimes are notoriously difficult to prove in courts.

He was legally found innocent but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. The evidence and amount of accusers makes it hard to see how he could be innocent of this. Obviously we don't know for sure but it is very likely that the accusers were telling the truth. And I agree if someone else had these accusations against them in the same circumstances you wouldn't have loads of people defending them.

I do think his childhood and his issues had something to do with how he was as an adult. I remember watching a documentary on him pre allegations and he was very childlike. I don't think he had the childhood he should have had and that effected his whole life but he still ruined loads of young boys lives.

Listen, people, even famous actors themselves were afraid to speak up against Harvey Weinstein. But when one did, they took strength from it. I can guarantee Michael Jackson would have been on for a different ride this time round

I would just like to say to you MJ fools, go listen to him and sing your soul out imagine your lovely life if he chose you and yours to be with him, not them awful money grabbing others who went on to lie about the privileges bestowed upon them.

Cos this is your expression about some kind of insane jealous love that you MJ fans have, isn’t it.

You are sickening people, no care for victims, of him and others, just your own fantasies.

He was legally found innocent

No he wants.

Not guilty does not mean ‘you have been found innocent’

It's not that at all, I just don't believe everything I read or hear. Not saying it's not true, I have no idea. But MJ certainly isn't my hero. He's just an oddly behaving man who happened to be a singer.

I have no idea what this means or what you actually believe.

I completely agree. It's a shame he passed before it.

With regards to his childhood - he was abused, not sexually but the father was an arsehole.

You can't use that as an excuse for his behaviour, otherwise we'd be forgiving - fucks knows - Dahmer, Bundy, Savile...

The cycle of abuse is a thing and TBH him being a victim of abuse only bolsters my belief in what his victims say.

Why on earth did you pick out that one sentence? Innocent until proven guilty. He was not guilty therefore technically found to be innocent of what he was accused of.

If you read my whole post you can see I don't believe he is innocent.

I was saying that I don't think it would be different for Michael Jackson - whom I believe was a paedophile, due to the # me too movement.

Mainly because he wasn't in to abuse and rape of women.

FFS I am not excusing him. I just believe his life was effected by his childhood. A lot of people's lives are effected by their childhood. It doesn't mean I think it excuses them committing crimes.

Sadly IME people don’t give much of a shit a it the abuse of men or little boys. As this thread shows!

It's worse. He was raping 8 year old boys. Surely it would be different now

That's fine.

You might want to read back what you have written there.

Anyway, I seem to have landed in to a debate that I have a clear opinion on and give no further shits.

Night.

In the US is still practice for both prosecution and defence team to be part of jury selection. And of course both consider who would likely rule in their favour. But I do believe his victims. I think quite a number of parents were complicit, selling their kids off.

Now back to op. If a stranger paid you money and told you to handover your 7,8 year old or 10 or 13 so they could sleep with them in same bed (stranger being naked), would you? They would assure you of course to trust them, that this is something special. It is brotherly (which is what he told one of the mums). Would you? (Or perhaps like some of those parents you would).
Op, here is what Michael's sister La Toya said: "This is very difficult for me. Michael is my brother. ... But I cannot, and I will not, be a silent collaborator of his crimes against small, innocent children". Consider that.

Depending on adoration and so called genius it seems. Nn Karen x get some sleep xx