To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

[pregahes]

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

He definitely had a 'type'All of his special friends were good looking boys.He basically love bombed them,made them part of his world,then dumped them when they aged out and replaced them with a new boy.
Even supposing he was not abusing them,this would be devastating for them but that obviously didnt matter to him.I think he was a narcissist with a massive ego.He treated them like pets,rather than people with feelings.
He had lots of nephews and nieces he could have spent time with,rather than star struck young boys.
Those who say he wanted to re do his childhood,its not usual for pre teen boys to hug,hold hands and sleep with their friends.
I think the childlike innocence was just a veneer he used.He was an astute business man,not naive at all.

I am suggesting you do some research rather than rehashing tabloid crap. But you won't. You are judge, jury and executioner without all the facts. Let's hope someday, someone you love won't be subject to the same.

You did. But then you also said 'sex with boys'.

What about Safechuck saying that something took place in the train station but it wasn't even built at that point?

No research needed. He befriended little boys, up to a certain age - I can name 17 at least - and slept with many little boys on his bed.

Are you actually suggesting he didn’t?

It’s not tabloid crap we saw it on actual film in his own documentary 😂

Yea I hope someone I love doesn’t tune out to be a nonce or a CSA victim.

I don't know why we need to waste millions and millions every year on a criminal justice system.

Set up a vote on MN and within a week you've got your answer as to whether or not they're guilty.

Don't need to worry about things like standard of proof, evidence or a jury.

It would seem that way.

@pregahes How do you explain his behaviour with children? You do acknowledge that he had sleepovers with young boys?

It was. It was on old films of Neverland. The fact planning permission was sought retrospectively doesn’t mean it wasn’t built.

As an aside, please do not expect CSA survivors to have infalliable memories about dates. MJ super fans think the train station thing is their smoking gun. It isn’t. Your little hero is a non r. It can’t be nice to know you’ve been duped, but seriously - get a grip and see the blatantly obvious.

@StopTheQtipWhenTheresResistance what do you think about Jordan Chandler sitting in the middle of MJ’s crotch at an awards ceremony. Is that appropriate behaviour? How do you feel about the fact he befriended only boys of a certain age and ditcehd them when they got too old?

Research? Research what? Michael Paedo Jackson himself admitted to sleeping with boys. Also that picture posted upthread of the awards ceremony what do you think of that? If someone you love was falsely accused i'm sorry, it must have been hard, but that has no bearing on this case. There is plenty of evidence out there, a lot of it from the horses mouth so to speak, he wasn't just a damaged weirdo, he was a Paedophile, I hate his music anyway, but if i'm out anywhere and it's playing it I always comment on how it makes me angry that he got away with being a nonce and people are still celebrating how wonderful he is!

I remember turning on the TV and seeing that on the news, and even as a child I thought how has he not been locked up?

@KarenNotAKaren He is not my hero, I just like to have all the facts before accusing someone and the fact is, we just don't know.

It went to trial in 2005 and there was insufficient evidence which led to him being acquitted.

The same could be said of Prince Andrew.

The point is, whatever the extent of their guilt, their strange behaviours, sense of entitlement and appalling judgement as to what is acceptable behaviour is what has caused them to be in that position. They have made it almost impossible to prove they were not guilty.

Do you mean that photo that was posted upthread? I can't tell if he is sat on his knee or at the side. A different angle would be good.

Same. Im not convinced of his guilt. I feel he was struggling with being an adult and could have behaved strangely without it necessarily being sexual. I know there are two men who say he abused them and I know we should always believe the victim yet I think there’s a chance he was innocent

Well, if the “someone I love” was an adult man who hung out with prepubescent boys, gave their parents gifts and slept in the same bed with these young boys, they wouldn't continue to be “someone I love”.

only a paedophile would act so much like a peadophile.

99% of rape accusations end in acquittal. Do you think that means 99% of accusers are lying? Or is it perhaps that the justice system makes it nigh-on impossible to secure a conviction?

Listen,tachetastic, I'm not saying don't use the justice system. But Michael Jackson should have been brought to justice a long time ago. He was not properly investigated and had too much power in America. There are so many people who have been wrongly found innocent, only to go on to commit more crime. Example, OJ SIMPSON!

Here's several different angles it made me feel sick looking at some of these!!

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=596692341&hl=en-gb&q=michael+jackson+jordan+chandler&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidrtG4hM-DAxXBUUEAHRVJA4MQ0pQJegQICRAB&biw=375&bih=611&dpr=3

To the Michael Jackson defenders…..

Isn’t it interesting that certain people seem to have many accusations of inappropriate (or much worse) behaviour levelled at them, by multiple sources….

While other people have zero accusations levelled at them?

If people are ‘lying’, or doing it to ‘make money’, why do they all go after the same pool of men?

Donald Trump has had endless accusations of impropriety.

Barack Obama has had none. Even George W Bush has had none.

If the accusers are just in it for the money, why don’t they just go after all and any men, at random?

Funnily enough, they don’t.

They NEVER go after men who haven’t behaved inappropriately. Who haven’t committed sexual assault.

Doesn’t that give you some pause for thought that there might (just might) be something in what they’re saying….?

To the pp, I’m not in the slightest but worried about my DH being falsely accused of sexual assault - because he’s never sexually assaulted anyone, and I know people don’t make shit up, just for laughs and giggles.

On the other hand, sexual assault - wherher low level or serious - happens on the daily. I’ll reserve my sympathy for the actual victims.

He’s on his lap. I can post a video too. What do you think of a grown man who sits an unrelated 12yo in their lap when that child has a chair to sit on?

Oh FFS pic didn’t post

8 men.

Struggling with adulthood doesn’t excuse predatory behaviour. Wether you believe he molested boys you cannot deny he behaved like a predator publicly with little boys

Fucking hell. The amount of pedo sympathisers on this thread.

I genuinely can't believe there are people still defending this man.

What the hell is wrong with you people?

As a PP said, if this was Mike from down the road having 'sleepovers' with 8 year old boys, there'd be a witch hunt. Why is pedo Jackson any different?

I'm sorry, but no one who isn't a fucking child abuser and pedophile would behave the way Jackson did.

I just can't get over the deniers. I really can't.