To think it's tragic if Michael Jackson was indeed innocent

[pregahes]

It's a real shame for someone who created incredible music to have their legacy at risk. It’s just tragic, considering the impact his music had on so many. It's tragic either way, if he's guilty for the victims and if he's innocent for himself.

I'm a huge fan and at one point t thought he was guilty but kore recently change of heart. I think there would be more victims if he weee in fact guilty. Somethings doesnt add up.

It's tragic

I literally condemned his behaviour for not putting boundaries in place ffs.

I recall he said something along the lines of it was like a sleepover like what he and his brothers used to have.

The number of people tying themselves in moral and ethical knots to justify why MJ was "innocent" while ignoring the obvious question of "what makes him so special that allows him to be innocent when Random Joe would be, rightly, shunned by society?" It's terrifying really. Does being musical give you special superpowers of immunity? Does/should having lots of money give you the right to do what you like with impunity? I mean the Deranged Tango would have you believe that but he's not proving to be a particularly reliable witness either.

I can’t believe any debate is still going on. He so blatantly is America’s Jimmy Saville, it’s clearly just not convenient for MJ fans to believe it.

While exonerating him of any wrong doing completely.

So will continue to draw my own conclusions about you.

The obvious flaw in that argument was that a normal person would have sought to recreate that purity of feeling with his brothers or other age-appropriate companions, rather than forgetting he was a fully grown man. He would have done it without the pornographic material as play toys too if he thought it was truly pure..

I like him unfortunately. I say unfortunately as I think he's guilty, which makes me liking him disgusting.

Yeah because the only problem with MJ’s behaviour was boundaries.

@MoreDollies I agree with you, he could have had a lads night with his adult friends or something, which is what most adults would do.

I love his music and was a big fan, back in the day.

But like you, can see that what he did was totally wrong.

I used to be terrified to sleep alone. I was scared of the dark and monsters. Every single night I'd get in my sisters bed (we are 16 months apart). Every single night I slept with her top and tail in her single bed. As a grown up if I try to sleep in the same bed as any of your small daughters feel free to lock me up. Not normal at all as a non related adult and young kid.

I started out on this thread believing that MJ was innocent but I have to say that speaking to others on here, especially those who have experienced CSA, it has changed my viewpoint somewhat.

There was an interview though, where he said it was “pure” and “beautiful” 🤮

This is an excellent point.

Don't worry, he isn't.

What's tragic is being sexually abused as a child.

Watch the interview. He talks about how with one boy he sleeps in a sleeping bag, but does sleep in the bed with others. It’s beautiful and “everyone should do it”.

Watch how he smiles and moistens his lips when the interviewer brings it up.

There is a link on here from yesterday I think that shows the items that were found in his home. I had to stop reading it as it was absolutely disgusting. So please don't say nothing was found like indecent pictures because there were plenty. Sadly a lot of them didn't quite make it over the line of illegal just extremely dodgy if that makes sense.

The first smile is creepy - ugh!

I know! And also the way he’s grasping Gavin’s hand. I’ve never bought the whole “he was just hanging out like one of the boys” argument but that’s not what boys do together. My son and his friends wrestle and play fight but they don’t grasp hands like that.

@nolongersurprised yes the handholding was uncomfortable to look at. I can understand it if it's your own young child but someone else's child - no! I would even hold my 11 year old step son's hand like that and I've known him since he was 1!

Meant to say wouldn't hold my step sons hand like that 🤦‍♀️

Cherubs are depicted naked... in photographs where children pose as them for artworks or paintings they're naked or very near to naked... is that pornography?

I must have missed that link. Can anyone post it again for me to read please?

Waiting for the apologists to say, “Gavin was clearly about to run out onto the road and MJ was actually saving his life”.

Yes. Children shouldn’t be posing naked for adults to take pictures of them, and for those pictures to be published in a book. They can’t consent to this.

which is why it’s no longer termed “pornography” but child abuse material. I wouldn’t let my child pose naked for arty images, would you?